Why do some politicians want to decriminalize crime?
I believe they do it, in order to make the crime rate statistics look good.
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Merkabah · 22-25, F
Why does the United States have so many people incarcerated?
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Merkabah [quote]Why does the United States have so many people incarcerated?[/quote]
1. Because everything is illegal in America.
2. American prisons are just modern-day slave plantations and the objective is to imprison as many people, especially Blacks, so that they wlll lose their civil rights, such as being able to vote.
3. It is a job creation program for certain segments of the population, like cops, lawyers, judges, politicians.
4. Certain people profit off of the system by running for-profit prisons. Some prisons also serve as the economic engine of small remote towns across the country.
5. A number of major companies use prison labor in their industrial processes. It's really cheap labor.
1. Because everything is illegal in America.
2. American prisons are just modern-day slave plantations and the objective is to imprison as many people, especially Blacks, so that they wlll lose their civil rights, such as being able to vote.
3. It is a job creation program for certain segments of the population, like cops, lawyers, judges, politicians.
4. Certain people profit off of the system by running for-profit prisons. Some prisons also serve as the economic engine of small remote towns across the country.
5. A number of major companies use prison labor in their industrial processes. It's really cheap labor.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@DogMan [quote]OK, so do you want crime to run rampant? I take you live in a safe space,
and don't have to worry about crime. I think prisoners SHOULD work. It's good for them.
But Democrats just want to coddle them until they can go back to crime.[/quote]
Sure, prisoners should work because they can gain work skills. But they should be paid at least the prevailing minimum wage for their hours.
It sounds like you are a slaver.
and don't have to worry about crime. I think prisoners SHOULD work. It's good for them.
But Democrats just want to coddle them until they can go back to crime.[/quote]
Sure, prisoners should work because they can gain work skills. But they should be paid at least the prevailing minimum wage for their hours.
It sounds like you are a slaver.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@Diotrephes You lose your rights when you go to jail. I spent a year locked up back when
we still had hard labor. I worked everyday for nuthin. Got out, and became a successful
business owner. People in jail, are usually there because they had no discipline growing up.
Discipline has to be taught, if they are to function in society.
we still had hard labor. I worked everyday for nuthin. Got out, and became a successful
business owner. People in jail, are usually there because they had no discipline growing up.
Discipline has to be taught, if they are to function in society.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@DogMan [quote]You lose your rights when you go to jail. I spent a year locked up back when
we still had hard labor. I worked everyday for nuthin. Got out, and became a successful
business owner. People in jail, are usually there because they had no discipline growing up.
Discipline has to be taught, if they are to function in society.[/quote]
The problem is that America has never abolished slavery. It is still a slave country.
we still had hard labor. I worked everyday for nuthin. Got out, and became a successful
business owner. People in jail, are usually there because they had no discipline growing up.
Discipline has to be taught, if they are to function in society.[/quote]
The problem is that America has never abolished slavery. It is still a slave country.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@Diotrephes How so? Are you talking about the Philippine people that bring slaves
from their home country?
from their home country?
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@DogMan [quote]How so? Are you talking about the Philippine people that bring slaves
from their home country?[/quote]
Savery is still legal in America per the constitution. It was allowed to continue as a way for the slavers to ensure a supply of cheap labor by giving them a way to charge Blacks with crimes and use them as slaves as their punishment. The practice continues to this very minute. Some States have deleted the slavery clause from their State constitutions but it's still in the federal constitution Therefore, if the feds wanted to they could sell you a federal prisoner to be your slave for a set time period. Of course the prisoner may get pissed and kill you but that's another issue.
[b]Yes, Slavery Is on the Ballot in These States[/b]
AUGUST 22, 2022 12:00 AM
"More than 150 years after it was officially outlawed in the United States, slavery will be on the ballot in five states in November, as a new abolitionist movement seeks to reshape prison labor.
Voters in Alabama, Louisiana, Oregon, Tennessee and Vermont will decide on state constitutional amendments prohibiting slavery and involuntary servitude, in some cases except for work by incarcerated people. Advocates say the amendments are needed to strip antiquated language from state constitutions and to potentially transform the criminal justice system by making all work in prisons voluntary.
Three states — Colorado, Nebraska and Utah — have approved similar ballot initiatives since 2018.
About 20 state constitutions have exception clauses that allow either slavery or involuntary servitude as punishment for crime. Vermont prides itself on being the first in the nation to ban slavery in 1777, but its constitution allows involuntary servitude in certain circumstances, such as to pay a debt, damage, fine or other cost.
There’s a debate over whether removing the exception clauses in the U.S. Constitution and state constitutions would be largely symbolic, or whether it could lead to significant change in the prison system. Advocates say the symbolism is important, given the shameful historic context, but also that banning involuntary servitude could be a steppingstone to improving the pay and working conditions of incarcerated people.
So far, no state that has passed the amendment has changed its prison work rules, but lawsuits to force changes are likely."
The 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/13th-amendment#:~:text=The%2013th%20Amendment%20to%20the%20United%20States%20Constitution%20provides%20that,place%20subject%20to%20their%20jurisdiction."
[b]“Except as Punishment for a Crime”
The Thirteenth Amendment and the Rebirth of Chattel Imprisonment[/b]
https://blogs.law.columbia.edu/abolition1313/files/2020/08/Childs-Slaves-of-the-State-Ch.-2-2.pdf
[b][c=BF0000]Article I, Alabama Constitution[/c][/b]
[b]Sec. 32. Slavery prohibited; involuntary servitude.[/b]
[c=BF0000]"That no form of slavery shall exist in this state; and there shall not be any involuntary servitude"[/c]
Article 1, Indiana Constitution
[b]Text of Section 37:[/b]
"Slavery--Prohibition
[c=BF0000]There shall be neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, within the State, otherwise than for the punishment of crimes,[/c] whereof the party shall have been duly convicted."
[b]So, Alabama forbids slavery but Indiana allows it.[/b]
from their home country?[/quote]
Savery is still legal in America per the constitution. It was allowed to continue as a way for the slavers to ensure a supply of cheap labor by giving them a way to charge Blacks with crimes and use them as slaves as their punishment. The practice continues to this very minute. Some States have deleted the slavery clause from their State constitutions but it's still in the federal constitution Therefore, if the feds wanted to they could sell you a federal prisoner to be your slave for a set time period. Of course the prisoner may get pissed and kill you but that's another issue.
[b]Yes, Slavery Is on the Ballot in These States[/b]
AUGUST 22, 2022 12:00 AM
"More than 150 years after it was officially outlawed in the United States, slavery will be on the ballot in five states in November, as a new abolitionist movement seeks to reshape prison labor.
Voters in Alabama, Louisiana, Oregon, Tennessee and Vermont will decide on state constitutional amendments prohibiting slavery and involuntary servitude, in some cases except for work by incarcerated people. Advocates say the amendments are needed to strip antiquated language from state constitutions and to potentially transform the criminal justice system by making all work in prisons voluntary.
Three states — Colorado, Nebraska and Utah — have approved similar ballot initiatives since 2018.
About 20 state constitutions have exception clauses that allow either slavery or involuntary servitude as punishment for crime. Vermont prides itself on being the first in the nation to ban slavery in 1777, but its constitution allows involuntary servitude in certain circumstances, such as to pay a debt, damage, fine or other cost.
There’s a debate over whether removing the exception clauses in the U.S. Constitution and state constitutions would be largely symbolic, or whether it could lead to significant change in the prison system. Advocates say the symbolism is important, given the shameful historic context, but also that banning involuntary servitude could be a steppingstone to improving the pay and working conditions of incarcerated people.
So far, no state that has passed the amendment has changed its prison work rules, but lawsuits to force changes are likely."
The 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/13th-amendment#:~:text=The%2013th%20Amendment%20to%20the%20United%20States%20Constitution%20provides%20that,place%20subject%20to%20their%20jurisdiction."
[b]“Except as Punishment for a Crime”
The Thirteenth Amendment and the Rebirth of Chattel Imprisonment[/b]
https://blogs.law.columbia.edu/abolition1313/files/2020/08/Childs-Slaves-of-the-State-Ch.-2-2.pdf
[b][c=BF0000]Article I, Alabama Constitution[/c][/b]
[b]Sec. 32. Slavery prohibited; involuntary servitude.[/b]
[c=BF0000]"That no form of slavery shall exist in this state; and there shall not be any involuntary servitude"[/c]
Article 1, Indiana Constitution
[b]Text of Section 37:[/b]
"Slavery--Prohibition
[c=BF0000]There shall be neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, within the State, otherwise than for the punishment of crimes,[/c] whereof the party shall have been duly convicted."
[b]So, Alabama forbids slavery but Indiana allows it.[/b]
DogMan · 61-69, M
@Diotrephes Why aren't you down there helping the slaves? It's really sick for
you to believe that slavery is going on, and you are doing nothing about it.
you to believe that slavery is going on, and you are doing nothing about it.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@DogMan [quote]Why aren't you down there helping the slaves? It's really sick for
you to believe that slavery is going on, and you are doing nothing about it.[/quote]
Your knowledge of American society and culture is ZERO. Is that why you consider yourself to be a dog?
[b]Slavery and the Modern-Day Prison Plantation[/b]
“Except as punishment for a crime,” reads the constitutional exception to abolition. In prison plantations across the United States, slavery thrives.
[c=BF0000]November 8, 2023[/c]
https://daily.jstor.org/slavery-and-the-modern-day-prison-plantation/
[b]Captive Labor: Exploitation of Incarcerated Workers[/b]
[c=BF0000]June 15, 2022[/c]
https://www.aclu.org/news/human-rights/captive-labor-exploitation-of-incarcerated-workers
you to believe that slavery is going on, and you are doing nothing about it.[/quote]
Your knowledge of American society and culture is ZERO. Is that why you consider yourself to be a dog?
[b]Slavery and the Modern-Day Prison Plantation[/b]
“Except as punishment for a crime,” reads the constitutional exception to abolition. In prison plantations across the United States, slavery thrives.
[c=BF0000]November 8, 2023[/c]
https://daily.jstor.org/slavery-and-the-modern-day-prison-plantation/
[b]Captive Labor: Exploitation of Incarcerated Workers[/b]
[c=BF0000]June 15, 2022[/c]
https://www.aclu.org/news/human-rights/captive-labor-exploitation-of-incarcerated-workers