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Can we be more chilled about some of the nonsense rules we were taught...

...and in my case used to teach? I have had a bit of a reputation for being a pedant over spelling and grammar amongst my friends, but have always understood English to be a 'dynamic' language in the full sense of that word. When I was at school, it was an offence to use 'alright', it had to be 'all right'. At university, in an English language class we learned that there was absolutely no reason for this anomaly when we had 'already', altogether' etc, so I resolutely refused to correct it when I saw 'alright' written down, but alerted students to the fact that in exams it was still not acceptable.

I learned a long time ago that it was the Victorians who tried to force the rules of a dead language (Latin) onto English to make it 'respectable'. Then I saw this yesterday and, with one exception, I agreed with everything he says about English grammar and spelling. I wonder what you think?

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OogieBoogie · F Best Comment
I grew up with a father who had a love for language - but more the traditions and 'uppercrust' perfection of it.

I now feel he had some learnt idea that refined language reflected ones social standing and education level.

Which....i can do....but not always.


Decades later, and with what seems a very different perspective, i see what he meant, but in a freeer manner.

I see that its expression, art, social glue, identity amd part of our persona and culture, but i dont see thw need for affectation of perfection.
(As you can see, im not tje best texter - and i leave most of my spelling mistakes in
I do this coz one {im impulsive }, and two, i think this relfects me: I'm imperfect)

I use words like 'gonna', 'wanna', "geez", 'prolly' (probably) etc...beicase this is how i speak - its expression of self.
I want my words to reflect not only my thoughts.... but me as well.

Words amd language to me are like painting.
There's traditional, but then there's expressionism. Traditionalism has its place and time, but expressionism adds colour and feel that the former doesn't.

And i like that.

Sometimes imperfect language can be better, portay more and add character to what is being said.
🤗
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@OogieBoogie Not gonna argue wiv u, but it does, as you say, depend on context and how seriously one wants to be taken as to the 'correct' form of grammar for the people being communicated with. 🙂
@FreddieUK i think language is best tailored for its situation ....or even intent.

I loosen my language and swear more at work, but when i type a report, its all gramatically correct.
Here....its more 'arty farty' and 'loosy goosey'🤗

ArishMell · 70-79, M
I was taught that "alright" is an Americanism. I do not know if that was ever really so, but I have noticed the American dialect is less concerned with etymology than is British English.

Really, what counts is that the message is clear, comprehensible, concise and mellifluous in both speech and writing. The first two qualities lead to the last anyway.

I try to allow for genuine personal difficulties with language, but dislike clumy artifices like supefluous
"ations / isations", and muddling the noun and verb forms of a word.

If the expression is clumsily worded or stuffed with silly cliches I start to doubt the message. Examples include hanging comparators, sloppy use of percentages, silly cliches and metaphorical use of technical terms the user does not understand.

E.g.. doubling down, "rabbit holes", "exponential" and "sesimic shifts". Respectively these are: ridiculous outside of its strict meaning in American casinos, merely silly, wrong unless the increase (or decrease) genuinely is exponential, and just meaningless.

I may also start to look for what is not said, as well as what is.

Latin is not dead except in regular use. Latin quietly supports the English, French and Italian languages by supplying root-words. It forms more directly many technical words in biology and medicine, and the Law. Latin was used by learned people so widely and so recently historically that reading old documents in so many fields, requires specialists fluent in reading it. Literature from the Roman and Greek Classical times is still very popular, thanks to having been translated.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
All right and alright do not express exactly the same meaning. Similarly, but even more so, for all ready and already.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@FreddieUK I've seen it. I vaguely remember disagreeing with Rob on one or two trivial points (I've forgotten which they were though) but on the whole I usually agree with him.

I like his videos, possibly because I agree with so much of what he says!
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@ninalanyon The one point I slightly disagreed was the 'less' and 'fewer'. No doubt I will accept less being more prevalent eventually, but at the moment I have a psychological knee-jerk to 'correct' their use.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@FreddieUK That was one of them! I like the distinction between countable and uncountable. But I'm quite sure we are in the minority. I suspect that I would have to explain the distinction to most people younger than us, and probably most others too.

It grates on me to see scientific units used in plural forms in formal scientific papers too. Kilogram, metre, etc. are uncountable, at least in formal writing.
Sam17 · 18-21, M
Never knew it was 2 words
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@Sam17 There we are then. Shows how language changes over time.
Anal retentive disorder: "A personality trait characterized by excessive concern with details, tidiness, punctuality, and a strong need for control."

 
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