I Have Legitimate Concerns About Islam And That's Not Bigotry
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room101 · 51-55, M
Hi Beranger, Northwest is not a Muslim Apologist, not in the correct sense of the phrase. An apologist is someone who seeks to explain the behaviour of another. It comes from the Greek word apologia (btw the letter gamma i.e. g, is not pronounced as guh, it’s a y as in yes or yellow or yacht). Where was I, oh yeah, apologia. It means to defend or to explain. It is the defensive side of the adversarial legal system, of debate, of discussion and, of the general exploration of ideas and concepts. Northwest has not tried to explain or defend. All he’s done is throw in one irrelevant factoid after another.
He accuses any who disagree with him of using strawman arguments, and doesn’t seem to realise that the only person guilty of that charge is himself. He probably heard the expression somewhere, thought that it sounded clever, and has been bandying it about ever since. For the record, a strawman argument is one which attempts to derail a debate by introducing irrelevant arguments.
He also yells “lies”, not realising that anybody with the reading capacity of a ten year old can see the evidence for themselves.
Northwest, you are hypocritical and judgmental and have failed to, no I’ll change that, you have not even tried to address any of the central points raised. You judged Brigitte Gabriel, the Germans, the Japanese, the Russians, I thought that you’d skipped the Chinese until you accused them of plotting world supremacy. You’ve judged the Maronites, the Lebanese Christians and the British. The only ones that you haven’t judged is Muslims.
Let’s pretend for a moment that I agree with your accusation that the British f****d up the Middle East, as you so charmingly put it. What does that acceptance actually achieve. Nothing. In fact, it’s completely counter-productive because, it enables the fundamentalists and the radicles and the jihadists and the terrorists to function unhindered. Why spend their oil money on bettering the lives of their Muslim brothers and sisters when they can keep them as cannon fodder, all the while blaming the West because, hey, the West are blaming themselves anyway. That’s the question that Scribbles tried to put to you. Your answer,
“@scribbles: I am not really sure what your post is about. Is it possible to provide some background?”.
Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.
Anyway, I’m not one for pretence, I’ll leave it to you because you seem to be an expert at pretending to engage in a discussion. The Middle East doesn’t need the British (or the West) to f**k it up. It’s been doing a grand job of that itself for the last thirteen hundred years. Ever since a mediocre merchant married an ambitions widow and, between them, they decided to rule the world by inventing a new religion. A religion that is founded on war and conflict.
I told you in my very first reply to you that you didn’t understand the meaning of the message in the video clip. I’ll revise that. You ignored the meaning. For the last time, I’ll explain it to you.
It doesn’t matter that there are peaceful, moderate Muslims in the world because, we are addressing the fundamentalists and the radicles and the jihadists and the terrorists.
It doesn’t matter that the peaceful, moderate Muslims are the majority because, the numbers of the fundamentalists and the radicles and the jihadists and the terrorists are so vast, their methods so heinous and their stated objective is so contrary to all that we value that, they are a real existential threat to life as we know it.
You’ve not answered either of those points. Not once. You’ve not even tried to refute them. All you’ve done is drown this page with irrelevant claptrap.
Northwest, put your strawmen back in the fields where they belong. The black crows are filling the skies and destroying anything of value that the rest of us are trying to grow.
Finally, for your information, I don’t have a passive/aggressive bone in my body. There is passive and there is aggressive. Between those two states of being, there is the whole spectrum of behaviour ranging from patient and tolerant to acerbic and dismissive. I’ve reached dismissive with you. So, do us all a favour and go peddle your irrelevant drivel elsewhere.
He accuses any who disagree with him of using strawman arguments, and doesn’t seem to realise that the only person guilty of that charge is himself. He probably heard the expression somewhere, thought that it sounded clever, and has been bandying it about ever since. For the record, a strawman argument is one which attempts to derail a debate by introducing irrelevant arguments.
He also yells “lies”, not realising that anybody with the reading capacity of a ten year old can see the evidence for themselves.
Northwest, you are hypocritical and judgmental and have failed to, no I’ll change that, you have not even tried to address any of the central points raised. You judged Brigitte Gabriel, the Germans, the Japanese, the Russians, I thought that you’d skipped the Chinese until you accused them of plotting world supremacy. You’ve judged the Maronites, the Lebanese Christians and the British. The only ones that you haven’t judged is Muslims.
Let’s pretend for a moment that I agree with your accusation that the British f****d up the Middle East, as you so charmingly put it. What does that acceptance actually achieve. Nothing. In fact, it’s completely counter-productive because, it enables the fundamentalists and the radicles and the jihadists and the terrorists to function unhindered. Why spend their oil money on bettering the lives of their Muslim brothers and sisters when they can keep them as cannon fodder, all the while blaming the West because, hey, the West are blaming themselves anyway. That’s the question that Scribbles tried to put to you. Your answer,
“@scribbles: I am not really sure what your post is about. Is it possible to provide some background?”.
Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.
Anyway, I’m not one for pretence, I’ll leave it to you because you seem to be an expert at pretending to engage in a discussion. The Middle East doesn’t need the British (or the West) to f**k it up. It’s been doing a grand job of that itself for the last thirteen hundred years. Ever since a mediocre merchant married an ambitions widow and, between them, they decided to rule the world by inventing a new religion. A religion that is founded on war and conflict.
I told you in my very first reply to you that you didn’t understand the meaning of the message in the video clip. I’ll revise that. You ignored the meaning. For the last time, I’ll explain it to you.
It doesn’t matter that there are peaceful, moderate Muslims in the world because, we are addressing the fundamentalists and the radicles and the jihadists and the terrorists.
It doesn’t matter that the peaceful, moderate Muslims are the majority because, the numbers of the fundamentalists and the radicles and the jihadists and the terrorists are so vast, their methods so heinous and their stated objective is so contrary to all that we value that, they are a real existential threat to life as we know it.
You’ve not answered either of those points. Not once. You’ve not even tried to refute them. All you’ve done is drown this page with irrelevant claptrap.
Northwest, put your strawmen back in the fields where they belong. The black crows are filling the skies and destroying anything of value that the rest of us are trying to grow.
Finally, for your information, I don’t have a passive/aggressive bone in my body. There is passive and there is aggressive. Between those two states of being, there is the whole spectrum of behaviour ranging from patient and tolerant to acerbic and dismissive. I’ve reached dismissive with you. So, do us all a favour and go peddle your irrelevant drivel elsewhere.
