I Have Legitimate Concerns About Islam And That's Not Bigotry
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@room101:
I really don't care what your motives, and I did not speculate either. I pointed out Ms. Gabriel's fallacies, and yes, someone who falsifies her resume, is not to be trusted. Whatever she says, is the fruit of the poison tree.
Further, I did not think I was attacking you, insulting you, or tell you that you are not capable of reading. So, yes, let's start by figuring out who did it. "The point that Ms Gabriel was making (because you’ve obviously missed it) is that THE PEACEFUL, MODERATE MAJORITY IS IRRELEVANT." So, I would say, it's when, despite the fact that comments were about Ms. Gabriel's response, and the question itself, and despite the fact that I addressed her issues, you resorted to insults, by alluding that I am not capable of comprehending a simple hate video.
Once you insult me, you don't get to choose how I respond.
Further, your claim that "THE PEACEFUL, MODERATE MAJORITY IS IRRELEVANT." is wrong, as THE MAJORITY WAS NOT PEACEFUL. The opposite is true. I even had to point out to you, what history clearly recorded: rallies in the Million+ in Germany in support of Hitler. You tried sarcasm, but that only works if you have a valid point.
Some additional corrections...
The Maronite, originated in Syria, and you correct, they were persecuted, which is why they initially fled to Lebanon, to Wadi Qannobeen. Have you been there? I have. However, they were actually persecuted by other Christians, who disagreed with them on theology, and that conflict was very bloody. Rather than bore you with details, you're not going to appreciate, because it will go over your head, let's focus on the modern Lebanon.
The Maronites, are responsible for their own problems. They marginalized all other sects in Lebanon, and kept ALL the major positions in their hands. The Presidency, the Armed Forces command, Military Intelligence, and Internal Security Forces, despite the fact that they did not constitute the majority. The deputy speaker of the House, and the head of the Central Bank were also Christian, and the Parliament and Council of Ministers were 6/5 in favor of Christian. So, Christians in Lebanon, were not persecuted, they were the privileged. Your claim that the Christians of Lebanon are persecuted, is about as ridiculous as your other claims.
Anything else you'd like me to teach you about Lebanon. Oh, yes, about Ms. Gabriel's home town. It was the headquarters of the South Lebanese Army, an organization, started by, and supplied by Israel. It acted as a buffer zone between Israel and Lebanon, and people did not spend their days and nights in bomb shelters. It's also about 50-50, Muslim/Christian, and has always been a crossroads, all the way back, to when Saladin defeated Baldwin IV, on the outskirts of town.
The main Christian Militia, when the war started, was modeled after Hitler's Brown Shirts, and Franco's Phalanges. Also, Christians were not unified in that war, and what followed. At least half of Lebanon's Christians, oppose the side Ms. Gabriel supports. They cannot even agree on a candidate for the Presidency, and that office has been vacant for more than 2 years, because Maronites who are split 50-50, politically, cannot agree on a consensus candidate. The real joke, is that Hariri, the former PM, supports Franjieh, an uneducated thug, because the former King, used to hunt with his grandfather. Another thug.
Your ridiculous claim that the Germans and Japanese, were led by the nose, into a WWII, is disproved by history. The leaders of both countries, were elected and democratically appointed to their positions.
As to the PEW research, Ms. Gabriel, true to her lies, does not quote the research properly. Here's a link to the real research: http://pewrsr.ch/2ahvujP
Not that I really put much stock into polls taken anywhere other in places, where you already have democracies.
Back to Kohmeini and Mosaddegh. Are you really that naive, to believe that the two are not related? Mosaddegh, a secular, who favored separation of state and religion, was elected the majority, proving that at the time, in 1951, the majority of Iranians, favored a secular country.
I understand that you're a denial of history, based on your claims of a peaceful majority in Germany and Japan, pre WWII, but the history of the coup in Iran is very well documented. A couple of links for you, seeing that you don't know how to research things that do not support your fantasies:
http://bit.ly/1snDH2Q
http://bit.ly/2aEftzM
It's actually quite easy. Just google iran + coup + 1953
The Shah threw popular secularists in jail, surrounded himself with corrupt middle management, that stole the people's money, and with a generation and a half, created a religious majority, looking for leadership and Khomeini was more than happy to fill the role.
How you became a British citizen, is also irrelevant to this discussion. I brought British Colonialism up, because you seem oblivious to its role in how the Middle East for fucked up.
To further add to your history lesson, the Portuguese shipped slaves to their colonies in South America. The British were responsible for most slave shipments to our shores.
I would suggest re-reading my first post.
I really don't care what your motives, and I did not speculate either. I pointed out Ms. Gabriel's fallacies, and yes, someone who falsifies her resume, is not to be trusted. Whatever she says, is the fruit of the poison tree.
Further, I did not think I was attacking you, insulting you, or tell you that you are not capable of reading. So, yes, let's start by figuring out who did it. "The point that Ms Gabriel was making (because you’ve obviously missed it) is that THE PEACEFUL, MODERATE MAJORITY IS IRRELEVANT." So, I would say, it's when, despite the fact that comments were about Ms. Gabriel's response, and the question itself, and despite the fact that I addressed her issues, you resorted to insults, by alluding that I am not capable of comprehending a simple hate video.
Once you insult me, you don't get to choose how I respond.
Further, your claim that "THE PEACEFUL, MODERATE MAJORITY IS IRRELEVANT." is wrong, as THE MAJORITY WAS NOT PEACEFUL. The opposite is true. I even had to point out to you, what history clearly recorded: rallies in the Million+ in Germany in support of Hitler. You tried sarcasm, but that only works if you have a valid point.
Some additional corrections...
The Maronite, originated in Syria, and you correct, they were persecuted, which is why they initially fled to Lebanon, to Wadi Qannobeen. Have you been there? I have. However, they were actually persecuted by other Christians, who disagreed with them on theology, and that conflict was very bloody. Rather than bore you with details, you're not going to appreciate, because it will go over your head, let's focus on the modern Lebanon.
The Maronites, are responsible for their own problems. They marginalized all other sects in Lebanon, and kept ALL the major positions in their hands. The Presidency, the Armed Forces command, Military Intelligence, and Internal Security Forces, despite the fact that they did not constitute the majority. The deputy speaker of the House, and the head of the Central Bank were also Christian, and the Parliament and Council of Ministers were 6/5 in favor of Christian. So, Christians in Lebanon, were not persecuted, they were the privileged. Your claim that the Christians of Lebanon are persecuted, is about as ridiculous as your other claims.
Anything else you'd like me to teach you about Lebanon. Oh, yes, about Ms. Gabriel's home town. It was the headquarters of the South Lebanese Army, an organization, started by, and supplied by Israel. It acted as a buffer zone between Israel and Lebanon, and people did not spend their days and nights in bomb shelters. It's also about 50-50, Muslim/Christian, and has always been a crossroads, all the way back, to when Saladin defeated Baldwin IV, on the outskirts of town.
The main Christian Militia, when the war started, was modeled after Hitler's Brown Shirts, and Franco's Phalanges. Also, Christians were not unified in that war, and what followed. At least half of Lebanon's Christians, oppose the side Ms. Gabriel supports. They cannot even agree on a candidate for the Presidency, and that office has been vacant for more than 2 years, because Maronites who are split 50-50, politically, cannot agree on a consensus candidate. The real joke, is that Hariri, the former PM, supports Franjieh, an uneducated thug, because the former King, used to hunt with his grandfather. Another thug.
Your ridiculous claim that the Germans and Japanese, were led by the nose, into a WWII, is disproved by history. The leaders of both countries, were elected and democratically appointed to their positions.
As to the PEW research, Ms. Gabriel, true to her lies, does not quote the research properly. Here's a link to the real research: http://pewrsr.ch/2ahvujP
Not that I really put much stock into polls taken anywhere other in places, where you already have democracies.
Back to Kohmeini and Mosaddegh. Are you really that naive, to believe that the two are not related? Mosaddegh, a secular, who favored separation of state and religion, was elected the majority, proving that at the time, in 1951, the majority of Iranians, favored a secular country.
I understand that you're a denial of history, based on your claims of a peaceful majority in Germany and Japan, pre WWII, but the history of the coup in Iran is very well documented. A couple of links for you, seeing that you don't know how to research things that do not support your fantasies:
http://bit.ly/1snDH2Q
http://bit.ly/2aEftzM
It's actually quite easy. Just google iran + coup + 1953
The Shah threw popular secularists in jail, surrounded himself with corrupt middle management, that stole the people's money, and with a generation and a half, created a religious majority, looking for leadership and Khomeini was more than happy to fill the role.
How you became a British citizen, is also irrelevant to this discussion. I brought British Colonialism up, because you seem oblivious to its role in how the Middle East for fucked up.
To further add to your history lesson, the Portuguese shipped slaves to their colonies in South America. The British were responsible for most slave shipments to our shores.
I would suggest re-reading my first post.