Yesterday I had a stressful argument with someone because of their views towards the LGBTQ+

This came up after recent flood of social media outrage over LGBTQ+ symbols being present in soccer games. They seem to think their culture is being invaded by the LGBTQ+ just because they attend the match.

It just reinforces how no matter what you do for Muslim rights in particular, expect Muslims to turn 180° against your rights as soon as they get any sort of leverage. I hate that cultural and social tendency and it is overwhelming. They don't care how much western LGBTQ+ individuals have sacrificed for Gaza rights for example.. and they have done so even more than most muslims in lot of instances.

To them, it is just strategy. Their core beliefs remain bigoted and unchanging. They will smile at you while thinking the worst of you.

It is not particularly a Muslim trait, it is just the dominant culture I deal with. And the one that have complicated my life in variety of ways, espacially my early childhood. It exists within other communities, I am more than aware of that.

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PiecingBabyFaceTogether · 31-35, M

Fk them. The entire western nations totally respected and weree very respectful towards Qatar laws and regulations a few years back and nobody complained about anything but we can't respect them for one single day. We're too spoiled for that behavior.

HijabaDabbaDoo · F

@PiecingBabyFaceTogether I don't disagree with your point but this isn't true. Western countries did complain and they complained a lot. I remember how much of a huge deal it was here.

Miram · 31-35, F

@PiecingBabyFaceTogether @HijabaDabbaDoo

It all represents a total continuum, not an unrelated pattern.

Back then Qatar faced scrutiny over its laws , that criticism was multifaceted, both legitimate concerns and instances of outright bigotry.

And there is the fact that the valid critiques were eclipsed and disregarded, as many Muslims defaulted to playing the victim (again the monopoly on victimhood) rather than engaging in meaningful dialogue, brushing it off all as religious and cultural difference, rather than a symptom of wider societal violations of human rights.

In the Muslim world oppression extends far beyond simple silencing or exclusion; there exist endless laws that are profoundly oppressive. And that's much more of a problem than simply being hated..or individual instances of bigotry ..it is much worse than that.

The way I see it, what happened in Qatar, the reactions of plenty of Muslims, and then what happened more recently in the US and the reactions of many Muslims again .. all demonstrate that when the global consensus permits the establishment of authoritarian and unjust regulations, under the banner of religious and cultural differences, or racial differences..those very frameworks will eventually be pushed beyond the borders of those countries.

Espacially socially, I don't type this without realizing the irony considering how it can be used to fuel anti-immigrant sentiment but any hope for inclusivity will require ruthless honesty.

I also realize how these same patterns exist in "white culture" too.

But I am more concerned about my own people.

These oppressive trends need to change within the Muslim world first.

The fact that we look at oppression as mere cultural distinctions or religious matters to be tolerated aggravates the entirety of the issue.

Pervasive human rights violations should not be allowed to propagate, cultural or not. Religious or not..Both, in the west and the east.

SUPERVlXEN · F

Apparently we should both be less vocal and visible, better yet just hide back in the closet again coz that went so brilliantly before talks started about human rights, equality etc. We don’t deserve better! So yea, it does run in various communities.

Miram · 31-35, F

@SUPERVlXEN

People should worry more when I am not talking, it usually means I am taking concrete action about the issue instead of arguing.

SUPERVlXEN · F

@Miram
No doubt there.

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