Religious nuts and whatnot
Something I noticed, that those religious nuts on here, would get more aggressive and angry when arguing an ex Muslim, and especially someone with Arabic knowledge , as opposed to arguing others on here who may have identical views to mine, but come from a western/ non Islamic background.
I was not sure why.. but then I thought about it… Maybe part of the reason is that they feel this person on their own is a living proof that their system is failing and it threatens their security..
The other thing, they feel exposed, because we have been taught islam just like them and we used to practice it, and even defend it, so we know these “secrets”, that the avg person who only read about Islam might not know.
Don’t get me wrong, the avg Muslim doesn’t know much about Islam either, and there are many people who come from other backgrounds who know more than practicing Muslims do. Actually in my case, the reason I left it was because I started researching, reading, and learning! Yet, being an ex Muslim, we know how Muslims think, their arguments and it is just so much easier for me to look something up, because I have a good background and because I know Arabic. Which is the other thing, the language. I KNOW for a fact that many Muslims hide behind the Arabic language and rely on the ignorance of the person in front of them , when they come to “sugarcoat” things .. I know this because I used to do it 🤷♀️ And because many tried to use it with me on here before, and then they’d realise that I am a native Arabic speaker and they get busted..
The last thing is that they are already fueled by anger against anyone who dares to leave the club, because this is what their religion says. So they feel betrayed personally.
I feel sorry for them. They are just so delusional to an extreme level. Probably religion has something to do with it, because it tells you that you are right all the way, full stop. But I also think they have flaws that are increasing this delusion.. They really can’t question themselves not for a minute, what if i am wrong? Let’s look this up.
I was as delusional as them, but I also often looked things up when I was told something in debates. TRUE, I looked it up with the intention to expose the lies, so I was suffering from what we call in finance “confirmation bias”, where you are just looking to read the information that confirm your pre-determined beliefs. True that even though sometimes i found out that the information I was given was in fact right, I still tried to cover it up with any counter argument. BUT, I never blindly just denied and denied without doing my research. I remember such debates used to take a lot of my time, because whenever someone attacked Islam, I wanted to give an accurate response back. So little by little, the more I was proven wrong, the more doubts started to pile up. It didn’t happen to me in the first time I researched, and found something ugly. I still covered up so many things that were ugly, because my vision was still compromised with the “devine” excuse of no questions asked, and if it is in the book, it must mean something good, but you are just not getting it! So you need to defend it regardless. But with time, you just can’t keep many things at the back of your mind. 🤷♀️
The other thing is, I don’t think I had as much hatred as these people d. So I was still able to make friends with people who were debating me, and like them for who they are. I don’t think I ever got so ugly with those I was debating by calling them bad insults or mocking their looks or using the personal issues they shared on here to get back at them.. Not being that ugly allowed for a good relationship to survive outside the arguments. In my opinion, such good relationship was key in my change. It is because when you realise that the person on the other side of the debate doesn’t actually hate you, they might even like you. When they are nice to you and compassionate, but they just simply disagree with you, you become more receptive to what they are saying.. You start thinking, it could be true because they are not here “to get me”. You are more receptive to hearing ideas you were never taught and could not have thought in a hundred years. Like I remember I was once asked, why are all the gods and the prophets males, I paused and was shocked. Never crossed my mind before. But if you already hate the person saying it, you won’t even stop to think for a second. The problem with these nutcases I encountered, is that they left no space for goodwill by being way out of line and hateful, or by rushing to block me. I noticed it, many of them are so threatened, they’d block you when they feel you know too much “inside information “ because you were once a member of the club. i am also working on myself to be less sarcastic and more compassionate in discussions, because we are not getting into these discussions to hurt people. Not at all. Yet, the other side definitely can stand in the way of that.
I’ve had so many arguments with people over the years, but I never felt so disgusted. These people really showed such an ugly side of them, I hope they get the mental help they need, and to reflect just a little bit on their behavior.
I was not sure why.. but then I thought about it… Maybe part of the reason is that they feel this person on their own is a living proof that their system is failing and it threatens their security..
The other thing, they feel exposed, because we have been taught islam just like them and we used to practice it, and even defend it, so we know these “secrets”, that the avg person who only read about Islam might not know.
Don’t get me wrong, the avg Muslim doesn’t know much about Islam either, and there are many people who come from other backgrounds who know more than practicing Muslims do. Actually in my case, the reason I left it was because I started researching, reading, and learning! Yet, being an ex Muslim, we know how Muslims think, their arguments and it is just so much easier for me to look something up, because I have a good background and because I know Arabic. Which is the other thing, the language. I KNOW for a fact that many Muslims hide behind the Arabic language and rely on the ignorance of the person in front of them , when they come to “sugarcoat” things .. I know this because I used to do it 🤷♀️ And because many tried to use it with me on here before, and then they’d realise that I am a native Arabic speaker and they get busted..
The last thing is that they are already fueled by anger against anyone who dares to leave the club, because this is what their religion says. So they feel betrayed personally.
I feel sorry for them. They are just so delusional to an extreme level. Probably religion has something to do with it, because it tells you that you are right all the way, full stop. But I also think they have flaws that are increasing this delusion.. They really can’t question themselves not for a minute, what if i am wrong? Let’s look this up.
I was as delusional as them, but I also often looked things up when I was told something in debates. TRUE, I looked it up with the intention to expose the lies, so I was suffering from what we call in finance “confirmation bias”, where you are just looking to read the information that confirm your pre-determined beliefs. True that even though sometimes i found out that the information I was given was in fact right, I still tried to cover it up with any counter argument. BUT, I never blindly just denied and denied without doing my research. I remember such debates used to take a lot of my time, because whenever someone attacked Islam, I wanted to give an accurate response back. So little by little, the more I was proven wrong, the more doubts started to pile up. It didn’t happen to me in the first time I researched, and found something ugly. I still covered up so many things that were ugly, because my vision was still compromised with the “devine” excuse of no questions asked, and if it is in the book, it must mean something good, but you are just not getting it! So you need to defend it regardless. But with time, you just can’t keep many things at the back of your mind. 🤷♀️
The other thing is, I don’t think I had as much hatred as these people d. So I was still able to make friends with people who were debating me, and like them for who they are. I don’t think I ever got so ugly with those I was debating by calling them bad insults or mocking their looks or using the personal issues they shared on here to get back at them.. Not being that ugly allowed for a good relationship to survive outside the arguments. In my opinion, such good relationship was key in my change. It is because when you realise that the person on the other side of the debate doesn’t actually hate you, they might even like you. When they are nice to you and compassionate, but they just simply disagree with you, you become more receptive to what they are saying.. You start thinking, it could be true because they are not here “to get me”. You are more receptive to hearing ideas you were never taught and could not have thought in a hundred years. Like I remember I was once asked, why are all the gods and the prophets males, I paused and was shocked. Never crossed my mind before. But if you already hate the person saying it, you won’t even stop to think for a second. The problem with these nutcases I encountered, is that they left no space for goodwill by being way out of line and hateful, or by rushing to block me. I noticed it, many of them are so threatened, they’d block you when they feel you know too much “inside information “ because you were once a member of the club. i am also working on myself to be less sarcastic and more compassionate in discussions, because we are not getting into these discussions to hurt people. Not at all. Yet, the other side definitely can stand in the way of that.
I’ve had so many arguments with people over the years, but I never felt so disgusted. These people really showed such an ugly side of them, I hope they get the mental help they need, and to reflect just a little bit on their behavior.
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