I Am Enjoying Being A Muslim

If people act according to the Quran's teachings, the world would be more peaceful.

@Madeleine: Yeah. But they don't.
And unless I'm mistaken, the Quran promises that those who fight and die in the name of allah will be given "great rewards" in paradise. Don't quite get the "peace" angle there. But I also don't get subjugating women so maybe I wouldn't be the best Muslim.

@Ynotisay: that is what world needs to understand
Groups like ISIS,AL qaeda etc no matter how much they tout they are not fighting for Allah

they are just corrupt and heinous people who want to establish their authority
their principles are totally different from true Islam

@FallenOptimist22: Are they? Or are they being driven by scripture?

Just a couple examples.

And in terms of establishing authority, I guess I see women having to cover up, along with a host of other demands, as establishing authority based on principle too.

Maybe if more Muslims got serious about the message you shared, there would be some change. But given the fact that 20 countries have laws against leaving Islam, some of them implementing the death penalty because of it, I'd say there might be a little more work to do before the 'world' buy in to the peace message.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

i need to read the part from where these excerpts are taken then only i cannot present any reasonable argument about it otherwise it won't make sense

But let me tell you a fact my friend a rational muslim hates terrorism as much as or in fact more than the people of other races and religions because not only these pseudo muslims spread terror and disrupt peace but also taint the image of the a common muslim person in society

@FallenOptimist22: Well I listed the passage so it probably isn't too hard to find it. And I have no doubt rational muslims hate terrorism. But I also know most muslims support Sharia law so forgive me if I'm not grasping the "peace" component. Sorry but I see it as an oppressive religion. That's not to say some don't interpret the quran as a peaceful road map. But it is what it is.

But I'm an atheist so it's all nonsense to me. Thanks.

@Ynotisay: Thank you for sharing your thoughts, but there is misconception.

It's true that the Quran promises great reward for fighting and dying in the name of Allah, or for Allah's cause.

[Quran 4:74-75]:
[quote]"Those who readily fight in the cause of Allah are those who forsake this world in favour of the Hereafter. Whoever fights in the cause of Allah, then gets killed, or attains victory, we will surely grant him a great recompense. Why should you not fight in the cause of Allah when weak men, women, and children are imploring: "Our Lord, deliver us from this community whose people are oppressive, and be You our Lord and Master."[/quote]

But what type of fighting? And what does (in the name of Allah) mean?

Fighting in the name of Allah means striving to uphold the “cause of Allah” which means striving to uphold all Allah’s commandments and a strive to condemn all Allah’s prohibitions.

[Quran 6:151]:
[quote]"You shall not kill - Allah has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. These are His commandments to you, that you may understand."[/quote]

[Quran 4:90]:
[quote]"If they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then Allah gives you no excuse to fight them"[/quote]

[Quran 5:87]:
[quote]“Do not aggress; God dislikes the aggressors.”[/quote]

[Quran 10:99]:
[quote]"Had your Lord willed, all the people on earth would have believed. Do you want to force the people to become believers?"[/quote]

[Quran 60:8]:
[quote]"Allah does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. Allah loves the equitable."[/quote]

[Quran 2:195]:
[quote]“You shall spend in the cause of Allah; do not throw yourselves with your own hands into destruction. You shall be charitable; Allah loves the charitable.”[/quote]

[Quran 8:60-61]:
[quote]"You shall prepare for them all the power you can muster, and all the equipment you can mobilise, that you may frighten the enemies of Allah, your enemies, as well as others who are not known to you; Allah knows them. Whatever you spend in the cause of Allah will be repaid to you generously, without the least injustice. If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in Allah. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient."[/quote]

[Quran 22:39-40]:
[quote]"Permission (to fight) is granted to those who are being persecuted, since injustice has befallen them, and Allah is certainly able to support them. They were evicted from their homes unjustly, for no reason other than saying, "Our Lord is Allah." If it were not for Allah's supporting of some people against others, monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques - where the name of Allah is commemorated frequently - would have been destroyed. Absolutely, Allah supports those who support Him. Allah is Powerful, Almighty."[/quote]

[Quran 2:190]:
[quote]”You may fight in the cause of Allah against those who attack you, but do not aggress. Allah does not love the aggressors.”[/quote]

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How does Islam subjugates women?

@Ynotisay: Respectfully, if you find Sharia low oppressive, means that your knowledge of it is limited.

Nah. I have all the knowledge I need about it thanks.
Just make sure you cover up, ok? Wouldn't want you to endure any punishment.

• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to eat must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be "Halal".
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.

@Madeleine: Let's go to the beach for a swim. Bring your bikini, ok?

@Ynotisay: Respectfully, your list has nothing to do with Sharia law. You didn't even provide any evidence from Quran and Hadith to support your claims. I told you that your knowledge is limited.

It's funny that you took [Billion Bibles], instead of the Quran, as your source.
http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/sharia-law.html

I would prefer to wear modest cloths to swim, to reflect my respect to my body and myself.

Uh, respectfully, Sharia law does not only come from the Quran. But I'm sure you know that. Here's just one little nugget from the Quran though.

Quran (4:89) - "They wish that you should reject faith as they reject faith, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."

Now this is ridiculously long, and I clearly copied and pasted it, but it's a series of examples of Sharia Law drafted by a guy named Hasan Mahmud. He's an expert on Sharia Law. In what I saw he lists, in great deal, the sources for this list. Given his background I have no reason to not believe him.

THIS is Sharia Law. THIS is what 99% of Afghani's and 91% of Iraqi's support.

I won't respond again. As an atheist, it sort of disgusts me how easily people can justify atrocities in the name of their god.
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Please note that Hudood, Diyat and Qisas cases are derived from the Quran and Prophet.

A. Hudood cases are (1) Theft, (2) Robbery and Tyranny against State, (3) Adultery /Fornication, (4) Defamation, (5) Drinking and (7) Apostasy. Some
Following are some of the Sharia Laws which I give forth as examples:
1. Denying “Scholarly consensus” about Sharia laws turns a Muslim to an apostate.[i]

2. Criminals of genocide, mass-rape, looting etc (Hiraba) will not be punished if they repent.[ii]

3. The Head of Islamic State cannot be charged in Hudood cases.[iii]

4. Proof of adultery and rape liable to Hudood shall be one of the following namely
(1) Either confession of the accused), or, (2) At least four Muslim adult male
witnesses give evidence as eyewitnesses.[iv]

5. Men can marry and keep up to four wives at one time.[v]

6. Men can divorce wives instantly; in such case she gets no maintenance.[vi]

7. A wife, if divorced in a regular manner in the course of two to three months gets maintenance only for maximum of 3 months.[vii]

8. To remarry the previous husband a divorced wife must marry another person, have sex with
him and get divorced by him voluntarily. (Often the husband pronounces “Divorce”
in a fit of anger and the Sharia Court forces the wife to marry a stranger, have sex with him
and get voluntary divorce from him to remarry the previous husband).[viii]

9. The only way for a wife to get divorce is to convince the Sharia Court that will negotiate with
the husband who often puts a monetary price for his approval. Without this, the woman
cannot marry again.[ix]

10. Women’s testimony is not accepted in Hudood cases.[x]

11. Evidence of a slave, female singer or a person of low-respect (street-sweeper, bath house
attendant etc) is not admissible.[xi]

12. Husbands are obliged to provide only food, clothes and accommodation to wives. Anything
else including doctor’s fees, medicines etc is a charity to her. A rebellious wife does not
get anything.[xii]

13. Adoption is not allowed in Sharia.[xiii]

14. Custody of kids goes to the mother provided she prays and does not marry a stranger
No such law is applicable to father. The father gets boys when they are 9 and girls when they are 7 years old. Kids belong to the father.[xiv]

15. A mother with custody of kids cannot go to distant places without permission of the father.[xv]

16. A Muslim man is allowed to beat his disobedient wife or wives.[xvi]

17. A Muslim man is allowed to have four wives at any given time. He is also allowed to divorce the wife or wives instantly and marry other women.[xvii]

18. Women inherit only half of what men do.[xviii]

19. Women’s testimony in Business transactions is worth half of men’s.[xix]

20. Women cannot be Bride’s guardians.[xx]

21. Women’s Blood Money is half of men’s.[xxi]


22. The murderer has to pay blood money or compensation if the family members want it, as follows: [xxii]

100,000 riyals if the victim is a Muslim man

50,000 riyals if a Muslim woman

50,000 riyals if a Christian man

25,000 riyals if a Christian woman

6,666 riyals if a Hindu man

3,333 riyals if a Hindu woman”


23. If the victim has son/s and daughter/s, then daughters cannot pardon the killer.[xxiii]

24. If a rapist cannot be punished, he has to pay bride-money without marrying (no other

punishment is suggested).[xxiv]


25. A Muslim shall not be put to death for murdering an unbeliever.[xxv]

26. Women’s witness is not accepted in Hudood cases.[xxvi]

27. Women judges are not allowed in Hudood cases. [xxvii]

28. The Presiding Officer of the court shall be a Muslim. In the cases where the accused is a non- Muslim, the Presiding Officer may be a non-Muslim.[xxviii]

29. Testimony of a non-Muslim for false accusation is inadmissible. If s/he later becomes a Muslim, her/his evidence is then admissible. XXXX ADD REFERENCE

30. No retaliation for parents and grandparents for killing their offsprings. [xxix]

31. The husband is not obliged to pay for his wife’s cosmetics, doctors fees, the purchase of medicine for her, and similar expenses.[xxx]

32. No reason is required to divorce one’s wife.[xxxi]

33. It is recommended for a woman to wear a covering over her head (khimar), a full-length shift, and a heavy slip under it that does not cling to the body.[xxxii]


34. A majority of scholars (n: with the exception of some Hanafis, as at m2.8 ibid) have been recorded as holding that it is unlawful for women to leave the house with faces unveiled, whether or not there is likelihood of temptation. It is unlawful for women to be alone with a marriageable man. [xxxiii]

35. In Shiite law a man can marry a woman for a fixed time from few seconds to several
years.[xxxiv] Rich men from the Middle East travel to Southern India to take advantage of
this law on poor women, so do rich Iranian men with their women. The suffering of
those women and children born out of this practice is beyond comprehension.

36. If a woman claims to be having her period but her husband does not believe her, it is lawful
for him to have sexual intercourse with her.[xxxv]

37. The Caliph makes war upon Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians (if they don’t become
Muslims or pay Jiziya tax) and the war continues.[xxxvi]

38. Being unyielding towards the unbelievers, hard against them and detesting them …..is a
decree of Allah. [xxxvii]

Mere review of these laws illustrates the inherent injustice in them. Any effort made to justify them in the name of religion is the works of motivated men to perpetuate oppression of women and other disadvantaged class of people. These laws are not derived from the Quran, if anything; Quran has been misinterpreted to support these laws. It is obvious that these laws cannot serve justice. That is why the claim of radical Islamists that Sharia laws had served justice in the past is totally unfounded, as shown in another chapter.

It is a matter of the legacy of patriarchal attitude of human history in general. I submit below a short list of Hadiths (Prophet’s Examples) that amply demonstrates this attitude and what we have been saying all along, namely, the supercilious and brow-beating attitude of a patriarchal society towards its own women! Many of the Sharia laws are created based on these and other similar corrupt documents.

1. Wife must shave her pubic hair if husband returns home at night after a long journey.[xxxviii]

2. A man will not be asked in hereafter as to why he beat his wife.[xxxix]

3. If a woman is to prostrate to another person (besides Allah) it will be her husband.[xl]

4. Women can visit mosques but must not wear perfume. [xli]

5. A divorced woman must marry another man and must intercourse before she can remarry her former husband.[xlii]

6. Majority of women are in hell.[xliii].

7. One must seek Allah's refuge from women, slaves and camels.[xliv]

8. If a woman abandons her husband’s bed for the night then the angels curse her until morning. [xlv]

9. Prayer is annulled by a passing woman, dog and a monkey.[xlvi]

10. A woman enters slavery of her husband in marriage.[xlvii]

11. A woman is like a rib---that is why she has the crookedness.[xlviii]

12. Nothing is more harmful to men than women.[xlix]

13. A woman advances and retires in the shape of a devil; so when one of you sees a woman, he should come to his wife and have intercourse with her. [l]

14. The house, the wife and the horse are bad luck.[li]

15. Women are more harmful to men than anything else.[lii]

16. Because of Eve women are unfaithful towards their husbands. [liii]

17. A husband should not tell his wife secrets, amount of property…etc. no musical instruments for her. [liv]

18. Women should beg a man not to divorce her.[lv]

19. Marriage gives the man the right to enjoy a woman's “private parts”.[lvi]

20. There is no maintenance allowance or lodging for the wife who has been given an irrevocable divorce.[lvii]

21. Some Jihadis had sex with the captive women in the presence of their husbands and some were reluctant to do so.[lviii]

22. One can have sexual intercourse with a captive woman after she is clear of her period and/or delivery. If she has a husband then her marriage is abrogated after she becomes a captive.[lix]

23. Companion of the Prophet had sex with booty captive women. [lx]

24. Some Jihadis practiced coitus interruption with captive women.[lxi]

25. A woman can’t travel a day’s journey without her mahram. [lxii]

26. Menstruation is a defect in women for they cannot fast and pray during their periods.[lxiii]

27. People ruled by a woman will never be successful.[lxiv]

28. Muhammad has no concern for a woman who cries loudly, shaves her hair and tears her clothes in bereavement. [lxv]

@Ynotisay: To respond to the verse you provided, you could refer to my previous comment, as I provided several verses from the Quran to prove that killing innocent people is forbidden in Islam. Plus, this verse is clearly talking about specific event.

Anyways, I don't care what Hasan Mahmud says. He claims to be an expert of Sharia law, and he leads a movement against it. It's clearly that he has a hidden agenda. The list you mentioned is also false and it will be just a waste of time and energy to respond to each point of it.

Hasan Mahmud was your source of choice, because he fulfills your agenda. You didn't go for someone who would explain the Sharia law perfectly and would show its real form.

It's just so sad.

@Madeleine: What's sad baby is that you've been brainwashed in to believing nonsense written by men to exert control and power. Just like they have in EVERY religion.
It's sad that women cover themselves, let men determine their fates, limit their education and draw lines in to the sand that says you're with us or against us. It's sad that you need a group mentality to determine your own morality. And it's REALLY sad that the rest of us have to suffer for it.
I feel sorry for you. Maybe you'll wake up some day and realize you don't need any of what you're fed to be a good person and lead a rich life. But if not, don't think for one freaking second you have a leg to stand on about what is "sad."

@Ynotisay: If anything, modesty is moral, and it's required by both genders. I feel proud that I am a woman who values herself. Moreover, I cover my body, not my brain. I'm a university graduate - I'm more intelligent and educated than most men you will ever know.

We all need law to achieve justice. Everything around us is governed by law, even this website (it has its own rules). But people are willing to accept laws and rules put by other people, and do not accept the law that is put by their Maker.

If anything in this world defines nonsense, it's assuming that this universe has no Creator. Atheism is man made fairytale to deny the existence of God, thinking if they do that, they will find "freedom". But it's only an illusion.