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I Am Enjoying Being A Muslim

Studying is Jihad.

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:
"If anyone travels in a road in search of knowledge, God will cause him to travel on one of the roads of Paradise."

What is Jihad?
Smiling in tough moments is Jihad. Keeping patience in hard times is Jihad. Struggling for good deeds is Jihad. Taking care of old parents in a loving way is Jihad. Forgiving is Jihad. Jihad is not what the media promotes, but what the Quran says, to Strive and to Struggle.

You want a real Jihad?
Smile to your parents when you come home. Pray on time. Control your tongue, your eyes, and your thoughts.
Declare your Jihad on thirteen enemies you cannot see - egosim, arrogance, conceit, selfishness, greed, lust, intolerance, anger, lying, cheating, gossiping, and slandering. If you can master and destroy them, then you will be ready to fight the enemy you can see.

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:
"The real Jihad is to battle your own soul, to fight the evil within yourself."
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Madeleine · 41-45, F
@Northwest Thank you very much for taking the time to reply. You made some interesting points. Even though most of the information your provided are true, but they are incomplete.

Firstly, I'd like to note that I didn't use the term "Islamic nation" in my previous comments, at least not the way you pointed it out. My point was that the Islamic law is not applied correctly nowadays among Muslims or in Muslim majority countries due to a number of reasons, number one is that Muslims tend to follow culture more than religion. So when someone points out to injustice act done by Muslims, it's not from the Islamic law, it's from their culture. Therefore, using evidence based on what we see nowadays in Muslim countries is not an argument.

Secondly, there's no black and white in the Islamic law, there's always a "gray area" that it used based on someone's situation or circumstances. For instance, eating pork is totally forbidden in Islam, but if someone is dying from hunger and has nothing else to eat, then it become permissible. The Islamic law is not based on "set of rules" that applied on everyone. It's based on principles. There are six principles of Shariah law:

1. The right to the protection of life.
2. The right to the protection of family.
3. The right to the protection of education.
4. The right to the protection of religion.
5. The right to the protection of property (access to resources).
6. The right to the protection of human dignity.



It's true that when a wife wants to initiate divorce, she has to give a sound reason, but there's a reason for that, Islam has laid the complete financial burden on the shoulders of the husband. He is required to bear not only the complete cost of the wedding..etc, he has to gift 'Mehr' or dowry (chosen by the woman or her family) which can be anything such as Land, car, house, expensive jewelry, or a sum of money. It's absolutely obligatory condition of a marriage in Islam. If the wife had been given the right to obtain divorce by merely declaring it, there is a possibility of abuse whereby the wife could divorce the husband the very next moment of the marriage, thus leaving the husband with a substantial financial loss. Moreover, if the husband emotionally/physically abuses the wife, drinks, takes drugs, gambles, sleeps around, wants to marry another wife, abuses the kids, involved in any criminal activity or is in jail, doesn't provide for the wife and children, the wife can get a divorce straight away and she keeps her dowry. Plus, a wife can demand anything she wants in her marriage contract, she can put unlimited set of conditions of her choice, so if her husband broke even just one of the conditions (set by her) she can get divorced without having to give any reasons. Besides, she can put a condition in the marriage contract that she wants to have the right of divorce instead of her husband.



It is not true that two female witnesses are always considered as equal to only one male witness. It is true only in certain cases. There are about five verses in the Quran that mention witnesses, without specifying male or female. There is only one verse in the Quran, that says two female witnesses are equal to one male witness. This verse is [2:282]. This verse of the Quran deals only with financial transactions. In such cases, it is advised to make an agreement in writing between the parties and take two witnesses, preferably both of which should be men only. In case you cannot find two men, then one man and two women would suffice. Generally in the past, women were not as familiar with contracts and negotiations as men. Business was a man’s profession. Men were more informed and experienced in commercial trade, transactions, loaning, and so forth. In general, men knew more about business than women, hence the ratio of two women as testifiers was mainly based on a woman’s inexperience in transactions, not on her ability, intelligence, or lack of trust. Plus, The Qur’an is strict when securing transactions, one man is not sufficient for a transaction to be binding; it requires two men. Nonetheless, there are some cases or issues that require the expertise, knowledge, and experiences to which only women can testify. A woman’s testimony or witnessing is not always or necessarily in the ratio of “one man-two women” in all cases. When it comes to women’s issues, a woman’s testimony takes precedence over that of a man.



Islam gave women the right of inheritance more than 1440 years ago, while it's been given to them only in the 19th century in other societies. The Islamic system is considered very advanced and ahead of its time. The rule of inheriting in Islam is very complicated, and it's always depends on someone's situation. What is equal to half a male’s share is not an invariable rule in all cases that pertain to women. There are different cases where males and females take an equal share of the inheritance. For instance, both the father and the mother take the same share of their son’s inheritance. Also, the share of the brother and the sister when a man or woman leaves neither ascendants nor descendants, both the sister and brother would take one sixth. The ruling of inheriting a share that is equal to half a male’s share only applies to the shares of inheritance and not to all the property that is inherited, such as gifted property, as it is permissible for the father to gift his daughter an equal share to what he gifts to his son during the father’s lifetime. It is prohibited to favor a son over a daughter. Moreover, it is permissible for a person to write a will to bequeath equal shares to their heirs (males and females), or to bequeath to a female heir a share that is equal to half a male’s share, if he/she wishes to. The rule of giving females half of what a male takes does not apply when distributing state lands as these lands are divided equally between men and women. Plus, the justifications given are due to men financial burden. So a woman is not obligated to provide for her family financially even if she has a job, and even if her income is higher than her husband, brother, or father. In fact, if her husband - for instance, took money from her to provide for the family, even if it's to buy something for her, he has to return the money back as it's considered a loan. I don't understand why this rule is "no longer valid" according to you, many women will be overly happy if this rule was applied nowadays!



As I mentioned earlier, there's no black and white in the Islamic law, also not all scholars agree on one interpretation, and wife's beating is one of these issues that caused many differences among Muslim scholars, but it's important to point out the beating a wife severely, such as striking the face or causing injuries and bruises is totally prohibited in Islam according to all Muslim scholars. This rule was taken from [Quran 4:34], some scholars say that a husband is allowed to beat his wife lightly (and each scholar came up with a method according to his understanding), but only for extreme cases. Some scholars said that it's totally prohibited for a husband to beat his wife, and they gave reasons that the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, never hit his wives and commanded Muslims to never beat their wives in several Hadiths. Also, they gave different translation to the Arabic word "daraba" which is used in the verse. "daraba" literally means "beat", or "go abroad", or "give" but not in the sense to give something by hand, but rather to give or provide an example. The word has many different meanings in it's used in many different verses of the Quran - So "daraba" in [4:34] means to desert or leave. Even though it seems to allow men to hit their wives after the two warnings for ill-conduct and disloyalty, it could very well be that God meant to command the Muslims to "leave" the home all together and desert their wives for a long time in a hope that the wives would then come back to their senses. In general, this verse has been misused by Muslims and non-Muslims equally; Muslims took it as a justification to abuse their women, and others used it to distort the image of Islam. Abouse is not allowed in Islam in any cases.. it goes against the Islamic principles, that's why there's one interpretation that I personally find logical and goes hand in hand with the Islamic principles, you can find it here in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1azySjz4edk



Yes true, in Islam the accuser is obligated to present positive proof, not only that, if it was discovered that he/she was lying, they will face punishment. So, there's no room to play around. Plus, no, a woman's statement is equal to a man's in this case.. as I explained earlier.



The loopholes are also huge. A victim can be doubly victimized, if the perpetrator is a family member, as a family member is allowed to pardon the perpetrator.

I'd assume that you're talking about cases of murder here, right? If not, please correct me.
When a murder occur, who are the real victims here? Yes, the one who was killed is the main victim, but his/her family members and loved ones are equally victims as they will suffer the pain of their loss. Accordingly, the Islamic law gave the family of the victim the complete control of what is should be done to the murderer. They can choose to give him/her death penalty, or to forgive. And this does not only applied to a family member, but to anyone. This is exactly what I meant when I said that Islam gives room to different situations. The fundamental rule of murder is execution, but there are cases when the murderer didn't kill intentionally, or the family of the victim prefer to forgive. We see many cases in modern law where the murder is given only few years in jail or given a suspended penalty which would leave the family of the victim in extra pain. In Islam, punishment is not the goal, but protecting human rights is the principle. So the case is left in the hands the family of the victim to decide what they feel. Plus, this rule is not applied for serial killers, or mass killing cases.



Assume that a non-citizen broke the law in the United States, when he gets to the court, will they judge by the American law? Or the law of that person's country? It was the same during the Golden Age, when someone from other faith has an issue with a Muslim, they would judge by the Islamic law, because this was the law of the land. At least, they used to give people of other faiths the right to judge according to their law if no Muslim was involved. While, with this new world order, no one can use the law of their country in another country, right? The only difference is back then countries were divided by religion, now they are divided by nationalities.



Even though the Islamic law makes perfect sense to me, I don't think that it should be applied to any society nowadays because I don't think that people are eligible to apply it correctly. There are many issues in many different levels within the Muslim world that need to be fixed.

Thank you again, this time for reading my comment. Please, feel free to express your thoughts and disagreements if you have any, I welcome them with an open mind.
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AvGeek · 31-35, M
Madelene - I love your responses here. I respect you and your beliefs and cast no judgements on you or those like you or your religion. I admire your fortitude and courage to stand in the fire and hold firm to what's true to you without waivering in the kiln of fearful hate surrounding you.

President Obama had done the same thing for 8 years tho on a much larger scale, bigger stage. He still stands tall as are you right here👍🏼.

I love how you handle it all. 👍🏼👍🏼
Madeleine · 41-45, F
@Northwest Islamic reformation is a topic that created a lot of controversy within Muslims. There are those who want to destroy every ruling in the Sharia and adapt to the norms of the times whilst others are ultra-conservative and believe there is no such thing as reform in Islam. It is a topic that I have been interested in recently, but the question is where do we draw the line when it comes to Islamic reform?
NOTE: I am talking about reform, and not Reform (with capital R).
In light of all the changes taking place in Islamic thought, what issues are open to negotiation, and what issues are non-negotiable? I am not eligible to discuss this topic since I don't have enough knowledge of how Islamic scholarship works, but I am taking the middle path between the two groups I mentioned earlier. I feel that there are aspects of the Islamic law that can be reformed, and others are fundamental that shouldn't change. And God knows best.



The Arabic word used in Verse [4:34] is "اضربوهن: idribuhunna", which is derived from "ضرب: daraba" which means "beat". The issue with all of the Arabic words that are derived from the word "daraba" is that they don't necessarily mean "hit". The word "idribuhunna" for instance, could very well mean to "leave" them. It is exactly like telling someone to "beat it" or "drop it" in English.

God used the word "ضرب: daraba" in Verse [14:24]:
"Seest thou not how Allah sets (daraba) forth a parable? -- A goodly Word Like a goodly tree, Whose root is firmly fixed, And its branches (reach) To the heavens".

"daraba" here meant "give an example". If I say in Arabic "ضرب مثلاً: daraba laka mathal", it means "give you an example".

God also used the word "ضربتم: darabtum", which is derived from the word "ضرب: daraba" in [4:94], which mean to "go abroad" in the sake of God:
"O ye who believe! When ye go abroad (darabtum) In the cause of Allah, Investigate carefully, And say not to anyone Who offers you a salutation: 'Thou art none of a Believer!' Coveting the perishable good Of this life: with Allah Are profits and spoils abundant. Even thus were ye yourselves Before, till Allah conferred On you His favours: therefore Carefully investigate. For Allah is well aware Of all that ye do."


So "daraba" literally means "beat", or "go abroad", or "give".

Important Note: Notice how God in Chapter (Surah) 4 He used "daraba" and "darabtum [4:94]", which are both derived from the same root. He used both words in the same Chapter, which tells us that "daraba" in Verse [4:34] means to desert or leave, since that's what its derived word meant in Verse [4:94].

Plus, there are verses and that support the prohibition of any type of wife beating.

[Quran 2:231]:
"...Do not retain them (i.e., your wives) to harm them..."

[Quran 4:19]:
"O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower [money given by the husband to the wife for the marriage contract] ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good."



[Quran 4:15] It's not puzzling. If you know anything about the Quran, you will know that it was revealed gradually, so the early ruling for fornication was confinement, until God sent down Surat An-Nur (chapter 24) which abrogated that ruling with the ruling of flogging. Note that the ruling of flogging is for both men and women.



Thank you.
If you want to live your life by a book written 1300 years ago by people who didn't know how the universe operated, go right ahead.
Hoshyar · 26-30, M
@FreeSpirit1 and you are a small human being who makes mistakes a lot. Find a mistake inside it, and I will accept your idea
Madeleine · 41-45, F
@FreeSpirit1 There are facts regarding the universe were already mentioned in the Quran before the telescope was invented. Plus, you are criticizing following an ideology that is ancient, while you believe in democracy which is an ancient idea that was there even before the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was born.
Northwest · M
@Mdeleine: I am not trying to debate God with you. It's not a topic that anyone can prove or disprove. Your description though is interesting. I'm imagining a God, hiding, somewhere in the far reaches of our expanding galaxy.

If the idea of something out of nothing is absurd, then perhaps you can explain where God came from? At one point, even God has to come from something, but if he's the all mighty, then he certainly came from nothing, as nothing could have created God.

Also, due to their struggle in menstruation and puerperal, women are not obligated to perform prayers during these times and they are rewarded for it, while men don't enjoy this privilege.

You make it sound as if prayer is a major burden, instead of a time to commune with God.

In any case, back to Qur'an 4:3. You posted the English translation. I am referring to the Arabic original.

The Qur'an lists three types of relationships between men and women:

1. Zawaj - or marriage
2. Moudaja'a - or intercourse
3. Nika'h - or fucking

In 4:3, the Arabic original, it says: If you fear that you're not going to be fair to the Orhpans, then you should fuck as many women as you like, two, three, four, and if you're concerned about being fair, then only one, or those your right hand possesses.

Orphans: given the context, those would be the daughters of men who died in the early Islamic wars, or whose lost their husbands in the early Islamic wars, and have no men to take care of them sexually.

Your right hand possesses: women who are already slaves of yours, or part of your repertoire of women, prior to becoming a Muslim. This was a way to settle issues related to those who had multiple women, prior to converting.

So, where the word marriage? It is not part of 4:3, but Nika'h, or fucking is. Why would Muslim scholars, translate this into marriage? Also, the grammar indicates, that the intent was not to stop at four, and it's sort of meant to continue, something like: 2, 3, 4, whatever...

Nika'h is where the modern word 'Neek', or fuck comes from.

You'll have to excuse the language, I'm being literal in my translation, but I am taking the historical and contextual into consideration. 4:3 would not apply, if this is 2016.
Northwest · M
@Madeleine: I am not deciding which side your on. I am commenting on your choice of words "the Islamic Nation".

These are scary words for people, and put people on edge. Perhaps, one of these days, the world will have no nations, but for now, we have nations, and for all of us who live in secular democracies, the term "Islamic Nation", is not compatible with either secular or democracy.

I respect people's choice, when it comes to religion. As a history fan, I am not willing to ignore history. No one should.

Sharia laws, are not compatible with due process, or equality, so they must be reformed.

You said that a woman can initiate divorce proceedings, but this is not really true. It is possible for a woman to initiate divorce proceedings, only under a limited set of conditions, and if the husband fixes it, then she will not be granted a divorce. She could say that he no longer turns her on, and in that case, he can demand a payment, before he grants her a divorce.

A woman's testimony is worth half that of a man. Sunni inheritance laws, are not the same as Shiaa, and women always inherit half as much as men. I understand the justifications, but these justifications only worked 1,300 years ago, but are no longer valid.

Women, are to obey their husbands, else they can be beaten. This includes not providing sex. Their husbands cannot force them, but they can beat them up, without causing injuries, until they change their minds.

The presumption of innocence is mostly true, where the accuser is obligated to present positive proof, but sentences are carried out, with no due process. For women, it's especially bad, because no one will take their word for it. Their word is worth half that of a man, and any statement, must be corroborated by several male witnesses.

The loopholes are also huge. A victim can be doubly victimized, if the perpetrator is a family member, as a family member is allowed to pardon the perpetrator.

As to the issue of people of other faiths, that's not really true either. Even during the Golden age. If a Muslim was involved, then Sharia laws applied. Today, try committing a crime in Saudi Arabia. Sharia laws apply, regardless of your religion.

If you want to argue a specific issue, I am happy to engage.
Madeleine · 41-45, F
@Northwest The fact that we cannot see God doesn't mean that God doesn't exist. We know that the universe is expanding, there's so much we cannot see, does it mean that part doesn't exist? Besides, if we are not able to see everything in the universe, how do we expect to see the One who Created it?

I find the idea of "something did come out of nothing" very absurd (I apologize for using this word), but it's the answer that people came out with when they couldn't find an alternative to God. It doesn't make sense and doesn't fit in any logical mind.

I respect you and your freedom of choice, but we are different from each other. Eventually we will die and let God be the judge.



Yes, people refuse to take responsibility, that's why they need accountability. I don't believe that there's an action that is completely personal, we live in society where everything we do will have an impact on people around us, directly or indirectly.



As I mentioned in my previous comment, men and woman are equal but different. Each has rights according to who they are. For instance, men are not allowed to wear silk and gold, men are obligated to pay Zakah, while women don't have to. Also, due to their struggle in menstruation and puerperal, women are not obligated to perform prayers during these times and they are rewarded for it, while men don't enjoy this privilege..etc.



Lying and cheating is forbidden in Islam, so even if someone got away with it in this life, they will be accountable on the Day of Judgement. I understand that you don't believe in afterlife, but being religious and conscience of God will prevent someone from committing such an act, and this is how religion solves the problem.



[Quran 4:3]:
If you fear you cannot act fairly towards the orphans—then marry the women you like—two, or three, or four. But if you fear you will not be fair, then one, or what you already have. That makes it more likely that you avoid bias.

Thank you.
Northwest · M
@Madeleine: I am not sure if I mentioned this already, but I am an Atheist. I don't believe anything was revealed. I do, however, believe in everyone's choice to believe, as long as they keep it civil, and do not force their belief system on anyone, or use it to commit atrocities.

Reformation, is never based on scripture, it's an evolution, based on the changing context. So, typically, there is no religious justification for it.

So, specifically:

In Arabic, there are no derivatives of "darab", that mean "leave" or "road" or "hit the road", etc. Within the proper context, it could mean "composed", as in "daraba qasida", or composed a poem. (some sections in 14).

In 4:34, the translation is crystal clear, given the context: the man is the head of the woman, but if she is arrogant, then the man must counsel her. If she persists, then he is to withhold sex. If that does not work, then he is to strike/beat her. If she becomes obedient, then the punishment will stop immediately.

As to 4:94: again, it's crystal clear. Two words are used: "sabeel" and "darabtom", the first means "path, way, etc." and the second means "fought".

As to 2:231: Not really. This pertains to divorce, so it has nothing to do with 4:34. 2:231, says that if you get divorced, you have no claims on your ex wife (2:232 as well). 4:34, deals with how to discipline your wife if she's not obedient.

As to 4:19, again, it is completely independent of 4:34. 4:19, instructs men not to attempt to rip women off, by denying them what they were promised. 4:19, does not stop a man from beating his wife, if she's not obedient (4:34).

And the same for 4:15, it does not mean that 4:34 does not apply. 4:15, says that if 4 people provide testimony, that a woman was cheating, then she is to be confined to her house, until she's dead. 4:34, is not incompatible with 4:15. Each is a remedy for a separate situation. Meaning that if a woman, who has cheated, can still be beaten via 4:34, if she remains defiant.
Northwest · M
@Madeleine says:

Regardless of whether you believe in revelation or not, it's surprising to me that you don't believe that the Quran was revealed gradually, even though it's historically well documented.

I am not disputing the Quran's chronology. The Surahs and Versus, seem to be written in the same chronological orders.

To believe that they were revealed by God, requires a leap of faith. As in a blind belief in a God, revealing things to humans. There is no proof of that, and that's exactly the primary dogma of any religion: that it cannot be proven.

The Islamic law is educed from the Quran and Hadith.

Islam law is derived from the trio of Quar'an/Hadith/Fuqh. The latter is what could be the basis for a reformation of Islam.

Bigamy is illegal everywhere, except in places where Shariah marriage/civil code is practiced. The reason has nothing to do with morality. It's based on the simple concept of equality. If men are allowed multiple wives, then women should be allowed multiple husbands. As to the issue of men cheating, and not being punished for it, that's not universally true. Women, in some US States, can bring an "alienation of affection" suit against the cheater.

Nevertheless, if you are a man or a woman, in a Western society, you are free to choose to be part of a poly-amorous relationship. It does not have to be sanctified by religion.

Fear of punishment, never stopped anyone from doing what they want. The only thing it does, is make them more careful. If fear is a deterrent, how come Saudi jails are full of offenders, and hundreds get their heads, and other limbs, chopped off, on regular basis? This is why I voted against Capital punishment in my state.

You cannot legislate sexual morality, nor can you have a standard for it. When it comes to sex, we are all on an infinitely sliding scale, and as long as no one is forced, and no one is hurt, there are no absolutes.

PS: if you have any other explanations for 4:34, then let's discuss it. It's clear, from my own perspective, that 4:34 does not conflict with any other verses in the Qur'an.
Madeleine · 41-45, F
@Northwest Part of the essence of Islam is to believe in the unseen, but I don't consider our belief in God "blind faith". God's existence is proven through His creation. Plus, atheism is also a type of faith, simply there's no proof to support their claims.



Equality does not always mean justice. Would you give a duty of a 20 years old man to a 10 years old boy, for the name of "equality"? No, because they are different from each other. Men and women are equally valuable to society, non is superior over the other, but they are not the same (that's why they are separated in the Olympics). A man can have more than one wife because his role in life is different, it's not the same when a woman has more than one husband. She's the one who carries children, it's only a fact of life. It'd be physically exhausting. But it's not the same for men. Besides, men are allowed to have more than one wife in Islam under certain conditions. It's very clear in the Quran that a man has to be just with his wives; that includes everything from material stuff, to how he treats them, to how much time he spends with each one. If a man cannot do justice, he should marry only one. It's just more honorable for a woman to be a co-wife than a mistress. She would have her legal rights, and her children would live in a normal family environment, it's a better solution for society. Plus, Islam gave women the right to put a condition in their marriage contract that she would not accept a co-wife, and her husband should fulfill this condition.



Accountability is an important aspect of human development. Since a very young age our parents hold us accountable for our actions. I believe in personal freedom, but not in actions that could harm society. Relationships outside of marriage can only create dysfunctional societies, and the main victims of it are girls who get pregnant in a very young age and children who never knew their fathers. Even if those girls were not "forced", they can easily be manipulated and taken advantage of. I understand your point, but I disagree with you. People want to be able to fulfill their desires/lusts without being held accountable, so it's not really about humanity and justice.

Thank you.
Madeleine · 41-45, F
@Northwest
I do, however, believe in everyone's choice to believe, as long as they keep it civil, and do not force their belief system on anyone, or use it to commit atrocities.

This is exactly my belief as well.



Regardless of whether you believe in revelation or not, it's surprising to me that you don't believe that the Quran was revealed gradually, even though it's historically well documented.

The Islamic law is educed from the Quran and Hadith. Therefore, there are aspects of it that should never change. I understand that you don't believe that the Quran is a revelation from God, but I believe it's the absolute words of God. So we will never reach to an agreement in this subject.. let's just leave it as it is.

Frankly, I find some aspects of the modern law very disturbing. For instance, there's no punishment for a husband who cheats on his wife (commits adultery), yet if he marries another woman (second wife), he faces penalty. Also, since there's no punishment for fornication/adultery, we find a lot of young girls (Under 17 years old) become pregnant and the guy washes his hands out of it. She would have to drop out of school, get a job and take huge responsibility all by herself at a very young age. Plus, there's no serious punishment for rape, rapist are sent to jail for few years to come out and rape again. I believe that modern law needs serious reformation.



I only explained to you one of the interpretations of [4:34], to me I find the proper translation of the word "darab" is "to hit", yet it's crystal clear that it meant to hit lightly since in other verses God forbade harming women. Generally speaking, beating women is not Muslims problem, it's universal. Every society suffers from this issue and I'm talking here about serious beating, domestic violence where women are beaten to the point of getting injuries, bruises, and sometime even death. This kind of treatment is absolutely forbidden in Islam and it's not acceptable by any religion/system.

Thank you.
Windsylph · F
I love this. I truly do. My only struggle is with the "battle" and "fight" language.

I'm a peaceful sylph 😇

When God speaks to my heart, the message is this: the more I open to good, to love, to joy, to kindness, the more I am in a flow with God. Flow eliminates any need for fight or battle.

Can you imagine a world without battle?

As for battling my soul, I cannot imagine it. She is so wonderful, and leads me into still waters, she helps me find calm, she loves to laugh, she opens my heart.

Dear Madeleine, my friend with the beautiful name... I love the way you have educated us about Jihad. Thank you. We have learned in the US to associate Jihad with unspeakable violence.

Peace and soft breezes to. Please keep educating us. I believe your heart is even more beautiful than your name.
Madeleine · 41-45, F
@Northwest Respectfully, if you think you are eligible (have enough knowledge) to decide what side I'm on, you're not. I am not a political person. I don't care that much about politics. All I care about is humanity and justice. Even though many aspects of the Islamic law are consistent with modern legal rules. (For example, both legal systems allow rights to personal property, mutual consent to contracts, the presumption of innocence in criminal proceedings, and the right of women to initiate divorce proceedings), it doesn't make sense to me to apply it on every nation in the world. In fact, it's part of the Islamic law that it shouldn't be applied on people of other faiths unless they accept it and want it. Even during the time of the Islamic Empire, where Muslims were the majority, people of other faiths had their own law among themselves.
Madeleine · 41-45, F
@Georgimy
[Quran 2:177]:
"Righteousness does not consist of turning your faces towards the East and the West. But righteous is he who believes in God, and the Last Day, and the angels, and the Scripture, and the prophets. Who gives money, though dear, to near relatives, and orphans, and the needy, and the homeless, and the beggars, and for the freeing of slaves; those who perform the prayers, and pay the obligatory charity, and fulfill their promise when they promise, and patiently persevere in the face of persecution, hardship, and in the time of conflict. These are the sincere; these are the pious."
Whitenight · F
Humanity is running in cycles.. every year they say oh this is how it is. The earth isnt even a round ball now they say. They are rediscovering what humans have already discovered thousands of years ago and around it goes. I respect every religion and my opinion is that every religion is man made interpretations of the same thing, all arrows points to the same direction. Were men too, we can find our own connection to the universe and to our own truth. We all live in different realities but share the same ground, a manuscript of how to live our lives shouldnt be neccesairy, but respect to the ones who need it.
Northwest · M
@Madeleine: Believing in the unseen, is the essence of every single religion, not just Islam.

Atheism is about recognizing that no one has answers to the puzzle of life, and that indeed, something did come out of nothing.

I am not trying to change your opinion, I'm simply stating mine, and to say that religion does not offer an answer either. I have no quarrel with people who choose religion. It's as good an answer as any. I do, however have a problem with people who think that their religion IS the only acceptable answer. I have a bigger problem, with people who resort to violence, to enforce the latter.

In my opinion, accountability, is not as familiar a concept, as most believe. People get lost in their own little worlds, and refuse to accept responsibility for their actions.

What I really don't buy into, is laws and rules that give preferential treatment to one gender over another. There may have been a time period, when this was acceptable, but that's not acceptable in the 21st century.

Being a mistress, is something I never understood, as it involves lying and cheating. In that case, I don't see how religion can fix the problem. A man, can be married to 4 different women, and still have mistresses. I also don't understand where, in the Qur'an, it's clear that a man can have up to four wives, as long as he treats them all the same.
Madeleine · 41-45, F
@Northwest The essence quality of God is that He is nothing like His creation, otherwise, he's not god. In my description I was referring to the greatness of God and how absurd it is to demand to see God in order to believe in His existence while we can't even look at the sun directly.

I don't wish to debate with you neither. I do respect your freedom to choose. The truth will be revealed once we die.



It depends on how you interpret it. Prayer/salah is a source of comfort to the heart, but it requires commitment.

[Quran 20:132]:
And exhort your people to pray, and patiently adhere to it.

Women struggle physically during their menstruation and puerperal. But the privilege here is not that they don't perform salah, but getting the reward without performing it. They still can pray in their hearts and supplicate whenever they wish. So they are not deprived from communicating with God.



Adultery/fornication is forbidden in Islam. Man can only touch a woman after marriage. So whatever your literal translation is.. the verse is referring to marriage.

Thank you.
Whitenight · F
They have misused the word and misinterpreted the quran. Cant let the wrong actions and violations define the meaning
Madeleine · 41-45, F
@Northwest I was born to Muslim family. Islam has always been my way of life and I know perfectly what I am talking about. The word Jihad is an Arabic word. The media does not translate it to English, which is To Strive or To Struggle, because they want to create fear in people hearts. Fear comes from the unknown, so they want to keep it unknown. I am trying to clarify the term for anyone who wants to know the truth.
Sorry , but this posting just did not seat well with me . I know you are trying to do some religious proselytism . But the word Jihad has hurt many people .
People have killed using that name .
I understand if people find this offensive .
Madeleine · 41-45, F
@RealMustangGuy Thank you for your decent comment.

I also will not stand by and allow anyone to hijack airliners and fly them into buildings, or blow themselves up to kill not only American citizens, but any innocent person in anywhere in the world.

All of the crimes that we see on the media are just crimes, they are not Jihad, and this was the whole point of my post. I want to clarify that these ugly acts have nothing to do with the Islamic teachings, if anything, they are the opposite. I made it very clear; I translated the word and gave clear examples. It's only the sincere and the open minded will understand.

As Muslim, I stand against any crimes and oppression that is done on any nation. People have the right to live peacefully. I am against mass killing whether it is done by individuals or governments.
Madeleine · 41-45, F
@ImAFreeSpirit This depends on if you believe in God (The Creator) or not. As Muslim, I do believe that the universe has a Creator, and this Creator.. created everything out of nothing. Therefore, The One who created humans out of nothing, can turn them into whatever He decides.
Madeleine · 41-45, F
@Breathingeasy Thank you for your comment. I understand your point and I agree with you. I don't blame people for having negative feelings towards the term. This is what the media does. However, I also have a point to make, which is what the media promotes is not jihad.
Northwest · M
@Madeleine: yes, I understand the historical arguments,and indeed, during a time period, where women were treated like merchandise, Islam provided protection. Sort of like a pre-nuptial agreement. But, and this goes to my point, the historical perspective no longer applies in 21st Century, hence the need for reform.

PS: Road and Beating, are spelled differently in Arabic, and while the difference is only one letter, there is no possible way, a "Dhad" can be mistaken for a "Daal", especially when it's in writing. This too much be reformed.

The one rule applied in Sharia, which is stoning or flogging women who have sex, without being married, is puzzling. The Qur'an, in Surat al Nisa, says that a woman, who engaged in sex outside of marriage, must be restrained to her tent, until she repents. No mention of beatings or stoning.
Madeleine · 41-45, F
@Windsylph Thank you for your open heart and open mind. It's my pleasure that you read my posts. Please, never stop writing your beautiful comments.
Madeleine · 41-45, F
@ImAFreeSpirit Thank you for your comment.

The Quran talked about how the universe operated even before the discoveries of modern science.
Northwest · M
@Madeleine: Yes, I realize what the term really means. Historically though, and with the exception of about a couple of centuries, during and following the Golden age of Islam, the term has been associated with a call to arms, for religious purposes. And, especially so, within the past 35 years or so.

As a holy book, based on the Old Testament, the Qur'an, in its entirety, is not compatible with a secular world, based on tolerance, and freedom of choice. The world of Islam, like the worlds of Judaism and Christianity before it, needs reform, and a renewed emphasis on the good parts of the holy book.

I am an atheist, but I don't, for one second, believe I have the answer to life. You, as a woman, and a Muslim, must believe that Surat Al Nisa', is not really compatible with a modern world, but the same goes for most of the OT, and parts of the NT. What may have been OK 1,400 years ago, or 2,000 years ago, or 3,000 years ago, is not entirely OK today. Context, context, context.
Madeleine · 41-45, F
@Georgimy I have nothing against Jewish people. They are people of religion and I respect everyone. It's what the media promotes according to political issues. Historically, Muslims and Jews lived side by side for hundreds of years, they even used to babysit for each other in Jerusalem.
Whitenight · F
The word comes from arabic jee ha da which means to strive or to struggle. Jihad is to strive for gods highest will or the highest good of all.
Madeleine · 41-45, F
@Breathingeasy May you give an example please?
@Whitenight: the meaning changes with time . The current meaning of Jihad thanks to bad apples is aggressive , offensive and the opposite of love .
If she wants to do proselytism , she can find 10000 other words .
Northwest · M
@whitenight: the earth has had the shape, for as long as homo erectus been around. I don't know what we're rediscovering though.

Religious books can only be judged, using the context and timeframe they were write for. This means that religion must evolve.

Islam, as a theology, has not evolved. Socioeconomic advancement, is key to that evolution. The West blocked progress, in the bulk of the Islamic world.

Change will happen. It already has in parts of the Muslim world. Former Soviet republics, Turkey, Tunisia, Lebanon, pre-war Syria, Iraq, etc.

Take Iran, for instance. The Shah, tried to secularize the country, but his regime was so corrupt, the overwhelming majority, was below poverty level, and susceptible to religious extremism, resulting in a backlash, and a Khomeini.

Our war is against extremism, not Islam.
Science has debunked everything the Quran says .
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Why do u pray towards east ??? Do u pray towards the sun or do u pray at the stone in the kabba??
Madeleine · 41-45, F
@Northwest When Islam was applied in its correct form during the time of the prophet's companions and the time of the Umayyad and Abbasid.. Muslims were a strong and advanced nation. Now,.. Muslims are weak not because of Islam, but because of the absence of Islam.
Madeleine · 41-45, F
@ImAFreeSpirit Old doesn't mean backwards.
Northwest · M
@Madeleine: did you convert to Islam, or were you born into it? Your definition of Jihad, it similar to what I feel Mitzvah means.
RealMustangGuy · 61-69, MVIP
Madeleine, I admit to not knowing much about your religion. You seem to be a peaceful person and you hold no hatred of my country the USA. I don't speak any other languages besides English. I don't know what words mean in any other languages.

But I do know I will not stand by and allow anyone to hijack airliners and fly them into our buildings, or blow themselves up to kill my fellow American citizens, or commit mass shootings in my country in Allah's name, without doing everything I can to stop them permanently.

If Muslim followers like you can control those bent on our destruction, please do so for the sake of world peace. But Americans will fight against anyone and everyone who attacks us. 🇺🇸
@IstillmissEp: everything was good until you mixed with politics . What does Hillary has to do with a Muslim trying to do proselytism and she failed? because you and me agree on this : Jihad is code for hate and kill.
When people start mixing people and circumstances and characters , is when we look silly .
Let's stay in this debate on what you and me are trying to convey: Try your Quran proselytism somewhere else , we do not buy into it .
The other day we can debate US politics .
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I just want to say about Muslim or other religion : Do not try to impose your views on my world .
Earth was not created 5000 years ago .
Evolution exist .
I am not going to impose my views on yours but I do not want to hear yours, zero interest .
Northwest · M
@madeleine: yes, this is part of the issue. Nations are NOT religious nations today. If you want a Muslim nation, then you're on the extremist side, and we will defend ourselves vigorously.
I assume half are Jews and half are Arabs on here , I feel the animosity 😂😂, well u all came from the seed of Abraham .. Why carnt u get on with one another ???? Can any of you please answer me that ?? Please ??? Come on istillmissep and Madeleine ????
Flenflyys · 31-35, F
Madeleine is jihad
Flenflyys · 31-35, F
When you read that Allah turned people into apes and swine, do you believe it to be true or do you dismiss it?
SW-User
@Flenflyys you fak off

 
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