I Am Enjoying Being A Muslim

@hippyjoe1955 Someone who was born can never be god.

@Madeleine Sorry but you are simply wrong and do not know the scriptures or God. Ask Jesus and He can sort you out. Right now you are blinded by satan and even your desire for paradise is simply an appeal to the flesh. As Jesus said that which is flesh is flesh and that which is spririt is spirit. I seek to live a spiritual life and you seek to live a fleshly life. The flesh shall not inherit the Kingdom. Only the spirit will inherit the Kingdom.

@hippyjoe1955 If you want to worship a born god, go ahead. My God is nothing like His creation.

@Madeleine ha ha ha you worship a devil. I will stick with the One True God. The One who is able to take on the form of His created in order to remove the sin of His beloved. You on the other hand want to follow some man made rules that don't do a thing for mankind. If you ask Jesus He will help you with your misunderstanding of how things work.

@hippyjoe1955
Matthew 24:36
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only."
Here Jesus makes a clear distinction between what he knows and what the Father (God) knows, therefore they are not the same being.

@TheGoodGuy Actually they are the same. You simply don't understand the difference between Will and Thought. Nice try though.

@hippyjoe1955 the verse seems clear to me

@TheGoodGuy The verse simply points out that the decision of 'when' has not been made yet. That decision lies in the purview of the Will and not the Thought.

@TheGoodGuy Don't forget John 10:30 where Jesus said, "I and the Father are one.”

@hippyjoe1955 The only way John 10:30 could be interpreted such that it does not contradict all the other verses is by saying that Jesus meant he and God had something in common.

To find out what the common grounds were, we have to look at the context in which this verse came:

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

As can be seen from John 10:28 and John 10:29 Jesus was telling the Jews that he and God share something in common, and it was: no one can pluck the faithful from either of their hands. This was the common factor between Jesus and God in this case, and not that Jesus was himself God, or that they were exactly the same.

Let us go on to see what Jesus says in John 10:

John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

John 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

John 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

John 10:39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

John 10:40 And went away again beyond Jordan…

In John 10:31 we see that the Jews misunderstood what Jesus had meant by “I and my Father are one.” (John 10:30). And in John 10:33 they accused him of blasphemy. Now, had Jesus been God, or had he and God been one in a literal sense then he wouldn’t have hesitated to clarify the matter at that point. Jesus at that point said, “Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?” What he was trying to say was that if the Jews called “I and my Father are one” blasphemy then they should call what was written in their law “Ye are gods” blasphemy too.

The reasoning behind this is “Ye are gods” does not mean that you, the Jews, are Gods, it is rather an expression. It just means that you are godly people. The same applies to “I and my Father are one.” It does not mean that Jesus is God or that he and God are the same literally. It’s just an expression.

@TheGoodGuy There is no contradiction at all except in your own mind. Jesus spoke the absolute truth. Jesus and the Father are One Being with different roles. From the Will springs the Thought. Father being the Will and Son (Jesus) being the Thought. Will can not exist without Thought and Thought can not exist without Will. Decisions are an act of Will and thus it is entirely possible for the Thought to not know the timing of the Will. This is a concept so simple anyone with a mind to understand can understand. The problem is many people don't have the mind to understand and wind up making silly statements that contradict that which Jesus clearly stated. Father and Son are One.

@hippyjoe1955
In Matthew 24:36 are you trying to tell me God doesn't know the hour? God knows everything, nothing is hidden from Him.

John 14:28
"The Father is greater than I. "
This is another strong statement that makes a distinction between Jesus and God.
There are lots of verses which go against your interpretation of John 10:30

@TheGoodGuy Yes the Will knows but the Thought doesn't. It has not been shared.

@hippyjoe1955
Ive given u multiple evidences to show God is one, here is another
"since indeed God is one" Romans 3:30

@TheGoodGuy No what you have given me is your jumble of misunderstanding. You don't understand and are simply trying, quite unsuccessfully I might add, to show your brilliance through misappropriating Scripture. Nice try but a complete failure on your part.

@hippyjoe1955 ive given u fact after fact, what u given me is what u believe to be true in your own head without bringing evidence.

@TheGoodGuy No you are using scripture without understanding. Its a common mistake. Satan tried with Jesus. Jim Jones did the same as he doled out the Koolaide.

@hippyjoe1955 I've given u facts within context, you've given me bullet points taken out of context. If we all take words from Holy Books and put our spin on it then every person will be following their own desires.

I will leave you with this
"To you your religion and to me mine." 109:6
I love Muhammad (peace be upon him), and I love Jesus (peace be upon him).
Peace be with you ✌

Without the understanding required you are simply posting gibberish. You have to take all the passages into account (which you are not doing) to come to an understanding of what they all mean. That Jesus is not the same as the Father there is no doubt. That is given yet Jesus said He and the Father are One. How can that be? With the understanding of three parts of the same whole it makes sense. If you leave out one you don't have a whole or if you divide them up into completely separate units you again don't have a whole. Yahweh is One comprised of Three Parts. You are one comprised of three parts. You have a will. You have a stream of consciousness and you have a body. To take out the will you would not be a whole. Take out the stream of consciousness and you would not be a whole. Take away your body and you would not be a whole. In the same way Yahweh exists. I AM signifies that there is Will and Consciousness and Presence. We humans are a little thick so Yahweh gave us examples of what the relationship is like by using terms like Father and Son. From the Will springs the Consciousness. Can't have one without the other. With out the Will there is no Consciousness and without the Consciousness there is no Will. Thus the term Father and Son. They are not separate they exist in relationship. Without the Son there will be no Father. Without the Father there will be no Son. The Three are One and the One is Three. Difficult to understand when you have spiritual blinders on. Take off the blinders and you will understand.

@hippyjoe1955 [quote]That which is infinite is known only to itself. This it is which gives some notion of God, while yet beyond all our conceptions – our very incapacity of fully grasping Him affords us the idea of what He really is. He is presented to our minds in His transcendent greatness, as at once known and unknown.

Tertullian
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