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Thought of the day regarding progressives.

They could rig elections in plain sight. They could surreptitiously suspend due process of law when it suited them. They could send national police thugs to your door at five-o’clock in the morning with riot guns, body armor, flash bangs, and bogus warrants. They could take your livelihoods, your freedom to move about, your childrens’ minds and bodies, and your dignity. Finally, they could take your life with false vaccines — and, unlike the Nazis in 1944, get the private sector to dispose of the corpses.

By James Howard Kunstler What say you?
LegendofPeza · 56-60, M
'Kunstler is a harsh critic of the Democratic Party and their "underhanded attempts" to get rid of Donald Trump, a man whom Kunstler sees as showing "strength". He was also a promoter of the concept of a so-called "deep state" working to overthrow and thwart Trump. He endorsed Trump for re-election and declared that he intended to do "everything he can to prevent the Democrats from winning the election.

He is a subscriber to the conspiracy theory that the 2020 United States presidential election was fraudulent, describing it as a "fraud-inflected election" on his website, and he suggests that the 2021 storming of the United States Capitol was the work of left-wing groups.

Kunstler called the COVID-19 pandemic a "scam", and on October 11 he published the debunked vaccine conspiracy theory that the vaccine would kill people "steadily over the weeks and months" and went on to name hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin as "effective" treatments.'

I say we're beginning to get a window into where all your bullshit comes from.

Maybe you should go back to uncited references. 😉
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@LegendofPeza That is not a conspiracy. That is a fact. The democrats cheat. There is massive amounts of evidence. Maybe if you tried to be a bit less partial you would see it yourself. Personally I am not a Trump fan. He blew the covid response BIGLY and likely lead to massive numbers of deaths from a non fatal disease. That aside Joe Biden did not get 81,000,000 votes.
cons believe the Dems masterminded a plot to fake millions of ballots for thousands of jurisdictions, sneak them into hundreds of counting centers, evading tens of thousands of watchful eyes, and not slip up once. Also that the Dems forgot to cheat downballot and control the Senate overwhelmingly. Plus, these cons believe the Dems are not competent to run a lemonade stand. No, I can't explain their cognitive dissonance.

tindrummer · M
@ElwoodBlues You have a lot more patience in dealing with this guy than I ever would.
I mostly ignore his bs these days. 😝
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@tindrummer That is a good thing. You can't debate on facts. You and wormwood are on the same level. Kind of like dog doo you both are hard to scrape off the bottom of my shoe.
@hippyjoe1955 I posted my evidence elsewhere under this question, and you pretended I hadn't. I asked you for your evidence and you ignored the question. That's because you have no evidence, just conspiracy theory blogs that you're too embarrassed to link to. SAD!!!
@hippyjoe1955 says
You even believe that the vax works when even its manufacturer says it doesn't.
Where's your evidence the manufacturers say that? Oh ,right, you have no evidence. Heres's the evidence that the Covid vaccines work:

In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 20% of the Covid deaths, while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced over 80% of the Covid deaths.

In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 31% of Covid cases; while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced nearly 70% of Covid cases.

This means the US unvaccinated had a 5X higher chance of contracting Covid compared to the vaccinated per capita, and that overall the unvaccinated had about a 15X higher probability of Covid death per capita.

Note: since 'Long Covid' occurs in 15% to 25% of Covid cases, that means there is also a 5X higher prevalence of Long Covid per capita among the unvaccinated.

Details
Source https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm
is a CDC analysis of 25 geographically dispersed US jurisdictions. It presents statistics on Covid incidence and death rates broken up by "wave" (dates) and age, separately for vaccinated and unvaccinated. Most of the key data is in TABLE 1.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm

Discussion
Note that the period is Apr-Dec 2021; why? In the first quarter of 2021 we were busily vaccinating the 65+ cohort; the most vulnerable. There was an excess of unvaccinated deaths in that period and not enough vaccinated people to make a fair comparison. Including that timeperiod would skew the data to make vaccines look even better than they are.

Note that the total deaths add up to 117,207, while the total 2021 US Covid death toll was about 550,000. That is because this data is for 25 representative jurisdictions, not the whole nation. This data represents over a quarter of US deaths, so percentages from it are statistically representative of the overall US Covid situation.

Vaccine effectiveness (VE) declined from the pre-delta to the delta to the omicron waves, but vaccines still provided significant protection.
The age-standardized IRR for cases in unvaccinated versus fully vaccinated persons was 13.9 during April–May and progressively declined to 8.7 during June, 5.1 during July–November, and 3.1 during December, coinciding with the periods of Delta emergence, Delta predominance, and Omicron emergence, respectively. This decline suggests a change in crude VE for infection from 93% during April–May, to 89% during June, 80% during July–November, and to 68% during December. Age-standardized IRRs for deaths among unvaccinated versus fully vaccinated persons were relatively stable; crude VE for deaths was 95% during April–May, 94% during June, and 94% during July–November.

Booster doses were highly effective.
During October–November, age-standardized IRRs for deaths among unvaccinated persons were 53.2 compared with those in fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose and 12.7 compared with persons without a booster dose; these results represented crude VE against death of 98% and 92%, respectively.

Incidence rate ratios
IRRs were calculated by dividing incidence among unvaccinated persons by incidence among fully vaccinated persons (overall and by receipt of booster doses); after detrending the underlying linear changes in incidence
@hippyjoe1955 You didn't even read it, LOL!!! But you wouldn't understand it if you tried. SAD!!!
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues I make it a policy to never read anything beyond the first line of any of your posts. I don't need your spew all over my screen. How does that lollipop taste? If you be a good boy I will give you another.....
@hippyjoe1955 says
You even believe that the vax works when even its manufacturer says it doesn't.
Where's your evidence the manufacturers say that? Oh ,right, you have no evidence. That's why you keep ignoring the question.
That's reality. Plus, they own the media to spin a favorable narrative to keep their mushbrain constituents in check.
@LegendofPeza ☝️ mushbrain
LegendofPeza · 56-60, M
@BizSuitStacy It's better than having shit for brains.
@LegendofPeza You would know, right?
Ontheroad · M
What I think is that you really should have paid attention to the anti-drug commercials in the 80's.

[media=https://youtu.be/LSFaDeRpSHA]
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Ontheroad The only druggie on this thread is progressive. I have never used any drugs. Nice of you to be so ignorant though. BTW I help the homeless many of whom are there because to their drug use. It is not a joking matter in my line of work. Sad that you think it is. But then you are a progressive so your lack of understanding is to be expected.
tindrummer · M
you and jimbob deserve each other
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@tindrummer So you are a clueless progressive. Thanks for the tip.
SW-User
I say they've clearly mastered the art of stealing elections, and you suck at it, so shut the fuck up.

 
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