Arguing with rightwingers on here be like
Someone please give them tissue papers
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Someone please give them tissue papers
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Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@Elessar
Nah... even when it comes to actual fascism, which was Mussolini's thing, there were already similar ideas going around. Especially in France.
And in the last 3 weeks, I've listened to at least 3 researchers (Jason Stanley, Sarah Churchwell, Omer Aziz), that look at the United States for early iteration of fascism. And when it comes to the right wing in general, you had writers like: Joseph Marie Comte De Maistre and Edmund Burke, that already put the groundwork for everything that came later.
So yeah... Italy, you don't even have that.
@Adrift Erm.. we've invented them
Nah... even when it comes to actual fascism, which was Mussolini's thing, there were already similar ideas going around. Especially in France.
And in the last 3 weeks, I've listened to at least 3 researchers (Jason Stanley, Sarah Churchwell, Omer Aziz), that look at the United States for early iteration of fascism. And when it comes to the right wing in general, you had writers like: Joseph Marie Comte De Maistre and Edmund Burke, that already put the groundwork for everything that came later.
So yeah... Italy, you don't even have that.
Elessar · 31-35, M
@Kwek00 Seriously speaking, I guess here they figured out how to make it palatable to the masses and convert theory into a practical implementation.
I don't know modern Japanese politics a lot, but my understanding is that they currently have an infatuation with the far-right too, in the leading party?
I don't know modern Japanese politics a lot, but my understanding is that they currently have an infatuation with the far-right too, in the leading party?
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@Elessar Oh, and the Italians had some theorists that added a lot...
Like Pareto and Mitchell, they did a lot to contribute towards the elitst aspects of it all.
And then you have Mussolini and Gentile who added a lot to the theory.
... In the end though. I think Italy had a fertile soil for the message of feeling like an absolute failure and looking back at some glorious mythical past (the roman empire). They found some scapegoats, embraced aggressive nationalism, ... just so they could feel good about themselves. Ones you start being pridefull for no reason except belonging to a certain defined group... you kinda liberate yourself from doing any work that might deserve actual pride. It's an alluring concept.
Like Pareto and Mitchell, they did a lot to contribute towards the elitst aspects of it all.
And then you have Mussolini and Gentile who added a lot to the theory.
... In the end though. I think Italy had a fertile soil for the message of feeling like an absolute failure and looking back at some glorious mythical past (the roman empire). They found some scapegoats, embraced aggressive nationalism, ... just so they could feel good about themselves. Ones you start being pridefull for no reason except belonging to a certain defined group... you kinda liberate yourself from doing any work that might deserve actual pride. It's an alluring concept.
Elessar · 31-35, M
@Kwek00 Oh, I'm aware. It's wild though that it can take root in America, because it's not that they were in a decaying state around and before 2016. Nor now, relatively speaking to the rest of the world especially.
Although that specific subset probably felt so since the defeat of the confederacy.
Although that specific subset probably felt so since the defeat of the confederacy.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@Elessar
You should read up on the South... Your mistake is looking at the US as if it's some kind of homogenous country. But it's the south, and particulairly the religious south, that is the largest issue and propeller of far-right ideas.They feel as if they are decaying since the loss of the civil war. And the US never had a reflection moment after the civil war... they went on as if it's business as ussual, and the south reembraced their old ideas the moment some of the pressure of the federal governement was lifted. These people are still fighting that civil war out there, it's just been less bloody since it officially ended.
It's wild though that it can take root in America, because it's not that they were in a decaying state around and before 2016.
You should read up on the South... Your mistake is looking at the US as if it's some kind of homogenous country. But it's the south, and particulairly the religious south, that is the largest issue and propeller of far-right ideas.They feel as if they are decaying since the loss of the civil war. And the US never had a reflection moment after the civil war... they went on as if it's business as ussual, and the south reembraced their old ideas the moment some of the pressure of the federal governement was lifted. These people are still fighting that civil war out there, it's just been less bloody since it officially ended.