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Ceinwyn · 26-30, F
Christians are fewer and fewer. So there is no reason to shout about these things when more significant things are happening.
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SomeMichGuy · M
@Ceinwyn Blaming modern Christians for the Inquisition, etc., makes as much sense as blaming modern Jews for the death of Jesus.
Ceinwyn · 26-30, F
@SomeMichGuy It makes perfect sense. The conceived the idea, the orchestrated it, they celebrated it.
And the most important is thing they still carry the attitude that means this could happen again.
And the most important is thing they still carry the attitude that means this could happen again.
SomeMichGuy · M
@Ceinwyn
No, modern Christians did not do those things.
But, sadly, non-Christians (who claim it but don't act in accord with the teachings of the founder of the religion) now are packed into the "religious Right"/"evangelical" wing and are definitely as messed up as the un-Christian "Christians" behind the Inqusition, the Puritans, etc.
No, modern Christians did not do those things.
But, sadly, non-Christians (who claim it but don't act in accord with the teachings of the founder of the religion) now are packed into the "religious Right"/"evangelical" wing and are definitely as messed up as the un-Christian "Christians" behind the Inqusition, the Puritans, etc.
Ceinwyn · 26-30, F
@SomeMichGuy It’s like watching a neo Nazi say “I never gassed any Jews.”
SomeMichGuy · M
@Ceinwyn No.
You are trying to paint every Christian with the same brush, showing your bias; people who use the universal affirmative / negation are wrong unless it's a category definition.
There are people claiming to be "Christian" supporting DJT, who is one of the least Christ-like people in history.
"Christians" who reject the teachings of Jesus aren't Christians, whatever they claim.
You are trying to paint every Christian with the same brush, showing your bias; people who use the universal affirmative / negation are wrong unless it's a category definition.
There are people claiming to be "Christian" supporting DJT, who is one of the least Christ-like people in history.
"Christians" who reject the teachings of Jesus aren't Christians, whatever they claim.
Ceinwyn · 26-30, F
@SomeMichGuy You think the Bible teaches love and tolerance? Have you ever read it?
SomeMichGuy · M
@Ceinwyn Yes it does and yes, I have, but I specifically referred to the teachings of Jesus. These are directly recorded in the four Gospels in the New Testament.
The people who go off and do the other crap are either bogged down in the Old Testament--including innovations in "inspiration", etc.‐-or too Pauline.
They reject Jesus' core teachings like
• the parable of the Good Samaritan,
• his handling of the "loose woman",
• his spending so much time with the very poor, the physically imperfect, abd other marginalized people...
They want judgment and vindictiveness, rather than leaving whatever will happen that way to God.
They want answers to every question and try to justify craziness by creating contexts beyond the texts, etc.
Christians are supposed to follow Jesus; His teachings reveal a "take" on the Old Testament is more important that trying to judge everyone...
The people who go off and do the other crap are either bogged down in the Old Testament--including innovations in "inspiration", etc.‐-or too Pauline.
They reject Jesus' core teachings like
• the parable of the Good Samaritan,
• his handling of the "loose woman",
• his spending so much time with the very poor, the physically imperfect, abd other marginalized people...
They want judgment and vindictiveness, rather than leaving whatever will happen that way to God.
They want answers to every question and try to justify craziness by creating contexts beyond the texts, etc.
Christians are supposed to follow Jesus; His teachings reveal a "take" on the Old Testament is more important that trying to judge everyone...
Ceinwyn · 26-30, F
@SomeMichGuy So you quite enjoy the New Testament. But the whole book is considered to be the word of your good, so what about the Old Testament?
SomeMichGuy · M
@Ceinwyn
I said Christians should focus on the teachings of Jesus, which makes eminent sense, just as Buddhists should focus on the teachings of the Buddha, or Muslims on the teachings of Mohammed.
So you believe it is the Word of God?
It can be that and not be the words of God, and there are glaring conflicts in Jewish Scripture, proper.
All Christologies agree that Jesus was fully anointed as the Messiah at His baptism by John; he had about three years of continuous interaction with people, which makes His revelation if the Nature of God the touchstone in the Bible by which to judge other notions. (And having a knowledge of actual Biblical scholarship--not crazy YT vids or podcasts by other non-scholars--helps, too.)
His teachings are full of love and forgiveness, which are mentioned far more often than anything to the contrary.
So that's what I am citing, with the list I gave before as exemplars.
I said Christians should focus on the teachings of Jesus, which makes eminent sense, just as Buddhists should focus on the teachings of the Buddha, or Muslims on the teachings of Mohammed.
But the whole book is considered to be the word of your good[sic], so what about the Old Testament?
So you believe it is the Word of God?
It can be that and not be the words of God, and there are glaring conflicts in Jewish Scripture, proper.
All Christologies agree that Jesus was fully anointed as the Messiah at His baptism by John; he had about three years of continuous interaction with people, which makes His revelation if the Nature of God the touchstone in the Bible by which to judge other notions. (And having a knowledge of actual Biblical scholarship--not crazy YT vids or podcasts by other non-scholars--helps, too.)
His teachings are full of love and forgiveness, which are mentioned far more often than anything to the contrary.
So that's what I am citing, with the list I gave before as exemplars.
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SomeMichGuy · M
@Ceinwyn No, not at all.
But
1)
Where do you see Him telling His followers to rape, enslave, murder?
2)
I have read the entire Bible, and studied actual scholarship. For instance, the Job and the first 11 chapters of Genesis are the oldest parts, which explains why they have inclusions which are mythic, like the second creation story, the tower of babel, etc., and a "God" at the beginning of Job who is unrecognizable as the God indicated by Jesus.
You are trying to claim all books are equal.
For a Christian, Jesus' teachings need to be prime, and most of His teachings ARE about love and forgiveness.
But
1)
You’re an À la carte Christian who chooses not to remember the images the promote rape, slavery war and murder.
Where do you see Him telling His followers to rape, enslave, murder?
2)
So you pick and choose which pages of “gods word you read.”
I have read the entire Bible, and studied actual scholarship. For instance, the Job and the first 11 chapters of Genesis are the oldest parts, which explains why they have inclusions which are mythic, like the second creation story, the tower of babel, etc., and a "God" at the beginning of Job who is unrecognizable as the God indicated by Jesus.
You are trying to claim all books are equal.
For a Christian, Jesus' teachings need to be prime, and most of His teachings ARE about love and forgiveness.
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Ceinwyn · 26-30, F
@SomeMichGuy Those are literally passages from the Bible, the word of your god, on those subjects.