Do guns kill people or is it people using guns to kill people?

People kill people and guns make it that much easier. The UK has strict gun laws and have ridiculously low gun issue rates compared to the US, but they have a lot of stabbing incidents.

I'd rather society deal with a lunatic with a knife than a lunatic with whatever high powered gun they can get their hands on

It's probably a good idea to have some restrictions on guns in order to make it harder for people to kill each other in cold blood. It's probably bad though, to build ourselves a society where the only reason why people don't go around murdering each other is because we don't have guns. There are a myriad of reasons why this shit happens and you definitely touched on some of 'em. I think car culture is honestly part of the issue; the automobile and its infrastructure physically separates members of communities from one another. When we spend all this time in a metal box, honkin' at each other, dodgin' potholes, flippin' each other off for shitty driving, that makes us feel separated from each other, and it stresses us the hell out. Maybe people wouldn't be so keen on killing each other if we actually walked around the city most of the time and saw people face to face, just doin' normal things.

People are going to find a way to kill people if that’s what they have in mind to do. I believe claiming mental illness or how you were raise can sometimes be a cop out. People want to a reason to explain someone’s behavior when the truth of the matter is that some people are just evil and don’t care about the value of human life.

I just use… I mean they would use a sword

All true, but Cain killed Abel without a gun and solving man's inhumanity towards man is a lot harder than limiting its negative effects.

I'd love it if we could all drink coke on the mountaintop, but short of that, I'd still rather not make it easier for folks to wipe everyone on the mountain out.

Mental health issues plays a big part in this ...also lack of common sense gun control ....i mean ...this isn't rocket science people

“If there were no guns at all”

Then law enforcement wouldnt need guns right.

Then security wouldnt need guns. Nor would customs officials.

Even the military wouldnt need guns!

Great idea

They'd poison the drinks

Or use acid

The parents of these people did not teach respect and consequences. No gun climbed out of a cabinet and committed murder.

Pulling a trigger from distance is way easier than assaulting someone with your own body and a meelee weapon like a knife.

You are mostly spot on, imo.
Actually I don't have a solid take as to the deeper reasons, but...
I think sitting in front of a screen all damn day and half the night, staring into it, playing games, engaging in who knows what, without movement, fresh air, exercise, grounding of self in the real tangible world, and too much idle time, is greatly contributing to "mental illness". <<<For use of a better word. And there's no way for the collective to fix that.

Plus I believe humans and the condition of the world will "wax worse and worse". So we should probably brace up.

There's no need for them.

I’m too tired to go in depth with this topic of conversation, in short it’s a health and safety concern when it goes from drama to dangerous.

And again some are evil. This truth is gonna hit many of you hard as time goes on. You will see.