Death as a Foodborne Illness Curable by Veganism

@BlueVeins Even then there's pros and cons. I would say there's a reason for animal rights. I mean animal abusers are pretty vicious and vile but I don't believe killing something quickly is inhumane nor believe killing something for food is murder.

If anything it's inhumane to force people with celiac disease, ibs, autoimmune diseases, poor absorption of B12 because of mutation, people with grain/nuts/seeds/gluten allergies into a vegan diet.

While some people find that their disease gets better, others find too much fiber makes it worse or end up giving up after they find out all their solutions to getting iron up doesn't work

@SatanBurger I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be OK with being killed and having my flesh consumed, even if the sweaty slaughterhouse profiteer promised it would be quick and painless. There's no shortage of evidence that many animal farms provide neither comfortable living conditions nor quick, painless deaths for all animals, but even if there was, that wouldn't make killing sentient beings that want to live to satisfy our taste buds morally justifiable.

Nevertheless, I'm pro-choice on meat and I don't think it's great to condemn people who are able to quit eating meat and choose not to because whether we like it or not, most people don't give up their creature comforts and habits to do what is right. It's great when people choose to do that, but culture is a powerful thing and most omnis are really just existing within the societal role that's been staked out for them.

Having said that, a gluten allergy doesn't preclude one from being vegan; plenty of vegan foods don't have any gluten at all such as tofu, seitan, fruits, vegetables, beans, nuts, seeds, and rice. Likewise, a B-12 absorption deficiency doesn't preclude one from being vegan because if someone has trouble with absorbing it, they should be supplementing regardless. In fact, a B-12 supplement is a good idea for everyone regardless of diet, as deficiency or near-deficiency is fairly common among the general population.

Veganism can make IBS more complicated to manage for some people, although it's worth noting that IBS sufferers generally have specific "trigger foods" that can be avoided regardless of whether or not one is vegan. There are, however, real people who are allergic to so many vegan protein sources that adopting a vegan diet simply won't be practical for them until lab-grown meats are widely accessible and fully humane. Likewise, there are people who suffer from eating disorders or -- more saliently -- poverty, which makes attempting veganism dangerous or inaccessible.

However, the vast, vast majority of people in the developed world are fully capable of going vegan. And while it's important to talk about the barriers to veganism for some people (in part so that we can lower them and in part to extent some sympathy), I often worry that those people will be used as kinda a "human shield" against vegan activists by the vast majority of people who can go vegan but choose not to. And I'll reiterate, I really don't just people who continue to eat meat out of sheer habit or cultural normalcy; that's a very common human instinct. I just want everyone to be honest about where we are as people and have an open discussion.

@BlueVeins We're all omnivores for a reason but we're not genetically identical and don't have identical immune systems. Autoimmune diseases, allergies or food sensitivities (nuts, soy and the major plant allergies are all used to make TON of vegan proteins on the market today,) certain health conditions all make a difference when on any particular eating pattern, not just veganism.

We can eat a wide variety of foods because it's an evolutionary advantage for when something doesn't work. We have different needs.

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The fact of the matter is, that is left to the individual at the end of the day to decide. Vegans are clearly not vegan because they genuinely like to be vegan and genuinely like their vegan foods, they're vegan because they feel obligated.

[quote]painless deaths for all animals, but even if there was, that wouldn't make killing sentient beings that want to live to satisfy our taste buds morally justifiable.[/quote]

Something always dies for your food whether it be plants, field mice/bird/rabbits/feral pigs, bugs, LOTS of microorganisms in the soil, blood and bone meals actually create rich variety of microorganisms in the depleted soils to feed/grow lots of good fruits and veggies. It's widely known that those microorganisms provides tons of good things for crops.

Life is a circle, everything needs things from everything else. As I said it's good that SOME people can be vegan, great.

Here's why vegans are not cruelty free which people give multiple reasons on both the human side and the pest control front:

[b]https://www.boredpanda.com/vegan-lifestyle-not-cruelty-free-rosasdesal/[/b]

And yes I know that most crops are fed to cows but thing is, these problems would still exist because veggies are less dense so you have to eat more. We'd still suffer the same supply issues only instead of crops for cows, they just go to us at the same rate. Everything processed is made from crops so you have that plus what people eat.

And this still doesn't solve the issue of 500,000 children mostly picking the produce or quinoa coming from farmers that can't afford it for themselves because of supply/demand issues. Or soy that was grown in some jungle somewhere that literally kicked indigenous people off their lands.

For much of the human race, we only ate things that are local because we didn't have nearly 80% of this stuff.

@Graylight Agreed, Dr. Greger is an extremist but he's also the most popular doctor. Some other vegan doctors are too, it's sad.

@SatanBurger It [i]is[/i] sad. I remind people when I'm told how popular something is that McDonald's outsells most all other food. Doesn't make it any good for you and it doesn't really speak to quality.