I Am a Feminist

What do you think about in vitro fertilization (IVF)? Surely you are against it.

Offer to adopt every child that would be aborted then. You likely only have that view because 1. Having the child doesn't affect you by any means 2. You struggle with morality

Do you know what happens during IVF?

http://www.whattoexpect.com/forums/fertility-treatments/topic/how-many-eggs-did-you-have-fertilized-and-how-many-actually-fertilized.html

@peechykeen: my point exactly. People who say abortion is murder are usually inconsistent in at least one area.

If you (I know not you peechy, the universal you) say abortion is murder than in a burning building where the only choice is to save a test tube with 4 zygote or one infant you must let that infant burn to death.

@canwejustnotdothat: how would you feel if men start murdering women when they don't want to pay the child support? murder is murder, it's simple as that.

@DragonBorn: Then what are you going to do about the IVF epidemic? Do you think insurance should pay for that?

Why are you dismissive about what happens in a petri dish but not when it comes to a woman's body? Do you really champion life or want to dictate to women?

@Doomflower: Yes. Many people do not talk about what happens in laboratories because it is easier to villify women. Men, throughout the centuries, have wanted/needed to control women's sexuality because if they do that -> they control women.

@DragonBorn: [quote] how would you feel if men start murdering women when they don't want to pay the child support? murder is murder, it's simple as that.[/quote]

Why kill a perfectly good adult woman? The kid would still exist and he'd be in prison.

If you say he kills her before the baby is born well... don't you think that is a LOT more likely to happen if she can't choose to terminate the pregnancy? Even so, he is more likely to assault her to cause a miscarriage.

By the way, I don't know if the bible is your thing but do you know what the penalty is for causing a miscarriage? I will give you a hint - it's not the same as for murder.

@peechykeen: after years of thought and study I have concluded anti choicers only want to punish women for having sex.

@Doomflower: I agree. I have been going around this topic for years. At first I thought people (men) didn't know what was happening during IVF. When I tried to inform them, 9 times out of 10 they do not want to know. Why ? If these people want to champion the unborn SURELY they would want to stop this from happening. Nope. It isn't actually about the unborn. It is about their ego and their need for control. Where does this concept originate from? It stems from government and organized religions -- all areas that depend upon the growth of families to sustain their wealth.

@peechykeen: I find most people - well, usually men and very young girls - haven't really thought deeply about their so-called moral position.

@Doomflower: Yeah, I used to be one of those people. Life was simpler then.

@peechykeen: No shame in learning! I too was once "pro life" until I actually learned about fetal development in detail and also took a philosophy course in ethics. I am not convinced we should ban abortion until the damn things move out or go to college or whatever and become their own person.

That last sentence was sarcasm. Just so I am clear.

@Doomflower: No, your last sentence was f.u.n.n.y. Thanks for the giggle!

@DragonBorn: Peechy is right: IVF often ends with what's tantamount to multiple abortions. Of course, that doesn't make murder non-murder, it just means that not a lot of people understand IVF

@Doomflower: I think you are biased and misandrist. it's okay for women to murder a child because simply it's her choice, and when it's done by a man for the same reason or something like when he couldn't pay the child support for 18 years, it's an assault and a crime. I don't care what the bible says, it's completely irrelevant to here. the point I showed you was men don't have a choice just like women. women don't have to take the responsibility of anything. first women have a choice to decide to keep her child alive or dead, then if she gave birth she can live on the money of the child support, but are men allowed to do something like this? women can do pretty much anything hide behind the feminist slogan. I have seen how these feminists defend murders when it's committed by a woman on a man, and how feminists want to shut down the female prisons. If women don't want to get pregnant they should know to use proper birth controlling method not murder a child when she felt like she can't take care of them. and no it's not your right to take the life of a child. In my country it's abortion is illegal.

"after years of thought and study I have concluded anti choicers only want to punish women for having sex." in fact it's actually women who want to punish men for having sex by forcing them to pay child support for 18 years.

@DragonBorn: I will ask this question again ... In hopes that THIS TIME you will not be a coward and answer it ... What are you doing to end IVF? If you feel so strongly that discarding fertilized embryos is wrong >> WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO STOP THIS? My guess is [b]nothing[/b]. It's not about "murdering" a helpless baby -- if it was you would save millions of fertilized embryos a MONTH -- Instead you want to condemn a woman to a lifetime of regret and suffering. Why? Because you do not feel that women have the same reproductive rights as a man. Your emotional plea for the unborn is only paired with a sexual act - not a biological approach to reproduction. You are nothing more than a hypocritical coward.

With your ignorant comment about murdering a woman (for having an abortion) paired with stating in "your country" it's illegal to have an abortion - my guess is you live in a country where there is no seperation of church and state. Religion is based on controlling ignorant people for economic gains. Congratulations for being one of the flock -- Bah!

@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP: The only correction I would make to your useful post is the words "almost always" --> to always happens. IVF is expensive and highly profitable to drug companies and doctors. Everyone wants to talk about the babies produced but no one mentions the cost (monetarily and emotionally).

#DragonBorn -- I got your humorous PM
[i]"you called me coward and attacked me. didn't read your comment after that line. so I blocked you. you are nothing more than a misandrist who plays the victim card to achieve whatever you want. remember women ain't oppressed nowadays as a group.it's a myth if you believe like that."
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Thank you for proving my point. You are an immature hypocritical coward.

Why do I know this? I deal with men like you on a daily basis. Men who impregnat women and leave. Men who then complain that the system is rigged against them -- while their children go without.

Do you know what is worse than abortion? Poverty. Going to bed without food. Living in sub-zero temperatures without heat. Ignorance.

Do you think abortion is easy for a woman? It is not. It is something that pervades their thoughts and psyche until the day they die. The only reason a woman gets an abortion is when they put their children's needs before their own. (Oh wait, I can hear your snickering from here!) It's true. Do you know why women of slavery killed their babies? Because they did not want their children's lives to be in captivity.

You, or many others, may feel that slavery does not equate to women today -- I beg to differ.

Women do NOT earn the same as men for doing the same job. Let me repeat this -- Women DO NOT earn the same as men for doing the same job. (women earn .76 cents to every dollar earned by men) I do not want to hear the BOGUS remarks that this is not true. It is. How do I know? I ACTUALLY work and see the pay scales of thousands of people. I am not a 20 something year old that lives with his parents and spends his "down time" farting in the cushions whilst playing video games. I am also not a person who listens fake news. I experience life and formulate and opinion based on what I see. You should try it sometime.

Most women cannot support a family, pay the bills, daycare and rent on our salaries alone. That leaves children in the hands of a welfare system. A system that is broken. A system that does not respect or values families.

People like yourself and others want to champion cute little babies. They want to persecute women. That's it! That's the end of the argument ... but the story continues. The only individuals who suffer are children who end up growing up and repeating the cycle of poverty.

So, I won't ask you again ... what are you doing to change things? ... because I know the answer - NOTHING. It's easier for you to villify sexual women than championing children who are born impoverished and unloved. It's easier for you to sit back and judge women based on their looks and personality. What a guy. What a miserable spoiled little man who feels threatened by the intelligence and rights of women. Sorry I am not sorry.

My suggestion to you is to grow up. Be involved in your community. Be aware of the conditions of people around you. I doubt you will. Men like you live in a bubble. You surround yourself with like minded indidviduals - who lack the intelligence and experience to formulate an original thought. You are nothing special. You are a cog in the wheel of life that panders to men. Good for you. Try to use that advantage for the greater good of ALL people - not just your sex.

I am glad you blocked me. I hope every individual who has dull senses, lacks compassion for humanity and original thought block me .. it would make me very happy indeed.

They blocked me for "being a misandrist" too. Translation: we were making too much sense.

Considering males are the cause of most mass murders, torture, war, and weapons of mass destruction and considering that whoever launches the first nuke will almost undoubtedly have a penis, the fact I DON'T hate men is pretty impressive.