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More Muslims spreading lies?

This is directed to the lady that said America was formed by immigrants! America was definitely not formed by Muslim immigrants. The American forefathers made the constitution which was ahead of its time. It's the land of the free, that provides justice for all. Men died for that freedom we have today. Okay if Muslim countries are so peaceful? Why are most Muslim refugees because of crimes invading their human rights? If The Muslim countries have human rights and good constitution, why do they flee? STOP THE LIES. Muslims should make an effort to integrate into the society that welcomed them.
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Noala · 36-40, T
And how come it is land of the free and you are not welcoming her ? In addition to that , if she is not welcomed , so why she was permitted to enter your country ?
Racism , racism , racism ... the lesion of nations
SaintAdelaide · 31-35, F
@Noala: what are you talking about?
berangere · 80-89, F
@Noala: Islam is NOT a race.
Noala · 36-40, T
Im talking about racism , why the writter didnt talk about other immigrants and if the country is free and democratic what is your problem with immigrants generally . According to business , if the immigrants were talents in their professions , there would be a great competition between citizen and immigrants to improve themselves and this will be in the favor of all the country , why they are not thinking like that ??? But in stead of self-improving , every body blame the immigrant generally @berangere:
berangere · 80-89, F
@Noala: It is their ideology that is totally opposite to the way of life and culture in the West,it has nothing to do with race,there are muslims in every race.Have you heard of "no go areas" only muslims have no go areas in their countries of adoption,where only muslims can enter and not even the police will venture to go,they are creating islam within the countries who have given them asylum and also sharia law,they refuse to comply with the law of the land and continue to have sharia courts although they are not recognised outside muslim countries.They continue with their traditons like female genital mutilation and "honour" killing.Women continue to wear burqas,not all muslim women but a sizable numbers.They are taught by their qu'ran and hadith not to fraternise with infidels the kuffars.Those people cannot integrate,their religion will not let them.I have close friends in Marseilles,France and they keep me posted.
Noala · 36-40, T
Ok , me too , studied islam and read about it very well , lets talk separately about each point of yours; about 90% the conflict between their laws and the country laws are actually not affecting the country at all , for example drinking Alcohols , it is forbidden for them but allowed ( with certain conditions ) by the country . So what is the problem in stoping alcohol ? I will not hurt any one if i stopped . And about the part of female circumcision ( they call it like that ), it is part of about 50% of ancient eastern tradition , and by the way it is not obligation but virtue issue ( not like african or indian tribs ) . But i think you mean " Hadd " which means boundary . It is unforgiven sins in Islam and need urgent punishment But this punishment must be done by the justice and the court , only the court in Islam has the right to punish for breaking an boundary and here, some muslims who went far from the core of their religion (like those of teroristic actions ) had understood this part wrong . They gave temselves the right to apply the religious punishment . And another thing i forgot to tell you . If the country is not applying the religious punishment , you should go for what the country see that it is right ( like north africa countries ) .@berangere:
berangere · 80-89, F
@Noala: I am not with you regarding a few things.No, alcohol is not forbidden by islam,it says not to pray if you are drunk,but tradition has banned it altogether in islamic countries,as for female genital mutilation it is done to stop women enjoying sex,as this "priviedge" is again for men only and also muslim men think that it will also stop the women from straying,never mind that they can have up to 4 wives plus some unoficial ones like sex slaves,they don't stray oh no! As for religious punishments did not mean stonning rape victims to death of flogging "adulterers" (100) lashes if they are single or stoning them to death if married? This is done in some middle eastern countries quite regularly by so called "moderate" muslims as compared to isis.And the cutting of hands for stealing done to children as young as eight.This are the "punishments" we are talking about.Extremism is on the rise.
berangere · 80-89, F
@Noala: They do interfere with people's lives and try to impose sharia law.

[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra45nX9JmW4]
berangere · 80-89, F
@Noala: [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2fNKo6R2j0]
Noala · 36-40, T
Such examples has to be eleminated from our countries , those are the seeds of terrorism that i talked about. Those have no loyality to their country and this is a disaster. I have met much muslims that are businessmen and doctors and good people . If such people in the videos met those , they will call them betrayers. Those are walking on the same path of knights templar except that the last had the official blessing , i cant immagine how our counries still accepting them between us ?? This is not what i read or studied or even touched from many close friends @berangere:
berangere · 80-89, F
@Noala: Islam has to reform itself from within, those good muslims would like to see reform but sadly many others do not,one being saudi-arabia with it extreme version of islam wahhabism and because of the oil they weild great power.Far more muslims imams want to stick to traditional islam than those who want to secularise the ideology and many muslims among the public want sharia law.