Is there a name for people who hunt defenseless animals?

@Brando: no I prefer veggie burgers

@Brando: Or get this, now bare with me because it might sound crazy, you can just not kill.

Kinda salty ,@TheRascallyOne:

@KaliKali: I don't think there's anything per se immoral about it for food. Hunting for sport seems wrong to me, though.

@Brando: thank you that's exactly what I'm saying

@Brando: I am not articulate or well versed in philosophy enough especially ethics to present a compelling argument, but plenty of other people have. I think they do a good job in this video if you are interested...

[youtube=https://youtu.be/3HAMk_ZYO7g]

I appreciate that. Thank you. I don't think taking the life of a deer a couple of years early who is going to die of disease or be eaten alive is immoral. Dying of disease or being eaten alive by a bear involves much more suffering. I do advocate for the ethical treatment of animals and pay more for that meat. @KaliKali:

@Brando: I think hunting is much more ethical than farming and slaughtering them for sure. I still don't think hunting is ethical though, even if it reduces suffering. I think you could easily make an a really great argument that killing a specific animal who is suffering to end that suffering is ethical though. With hunting it is a statistical thing, you aren't necessarily killing an animal who is suffering, you are killing enough healthy animals to keep the population from suffering. I just always refer back to how you would deal with it if it were people or even pets. Basically everyone agrees that euthanizing a sick animal is ethical and I think most people would even say it is kind. Euthanasia is obviously more controversial with humans, but it seems like all the objections are religious ones not ethical ones (could be totally wrong about that though). I don't think anyone would agree that killing healthy pets or humans in order to prevent future suffering is ethical though. I mean, I guess some people would, but I don't think I would take their opinion very seriously.

It's not in order to prevent suffering, but the idea that animals need to die by disease or by other animals (but not the human animal) doesn't make sense to me. We shan't convince each other, but I appreciate the civilized conversation. We agree there is too much needless suffering, to be sure.@KaliKali: