Do you support Israel?

Realllyy? Free Palestine???

@tynamite:
True when you look at it that way... But when one reads the BIBLE, anyone knows that Palestine never owned what you are seeing.

@tynamite:
Except the the exile of the Jewish Nation.

@tynamite: Those images are misleading. There never was a Palestinian state. Palestine was a geographical region controlled by other countries. Today a large portion of the 'Palestinian' land is actually occupied by Egypt and Jordan, which the media never mentions. The other pictures that you have pointed out were actually treaties that the Israelis agreed to and the Palestinian leaders rejected out of hand. The treaty started with a fifty fifty split with the creation of Israel.

@FitAndTrimYetThick: Pointing out that someone lived in a land about 1500 years ago might not always be the best approach. Most of the people in the world had ancestors that lived somewhere else 1500 years ago and they have no right to a piece of land. Israel was created by powers that controlled the area after world war II. It was legitimised by its own ability to wage and win wars that it did not start. Israel is now a legitimate country, and the resistance to it (in the form of those asking for a Palestinian state) is actually anti semitism hiding in a pseudo nationalism. I say pseudo nationalism because there never was a national state of Palestine.

@MarsSword:
So, you are openly admitting to being aint-Semitism, it seems like you are calling me dumb. I wish and pray you the best.

Considering the fact, that you were the one to point out the ownership of the land prior to WWII, I simply was pointing out history, you evidently do NOTTT care about history, when you cannot use history to skew, squirm your logic. More like ain't logic.

@FitAndTrimYetThick: I do care about history, I think you have misunderstood something I said rather a lot. I am not a anti-semitism. To the contrary I am pro Israel. I do not think you are dumb. I am saying that that argument for the existence of Israel is not necessarily the best one.

I am certainly not anti logic and pride myself on being able to debate logically and with facts. So please, read what I wrote again in that light. I certainly do care about history and am always willing to learn more history. I am neither trying to skew history or squirm my logic and if you can point out where I have done this I will correct it proto and apologize for doing so.

@MarsSword:
I'm not a pushover, these were your words, not mine or anyone elses:
" @FitAndTrimYetThick: Pointing out that someone lived in a land about 1500 years ago might not always be the best approach. Most of the people in the world had ancestors that lived somewhere else 1500 years ago and they have no right to a piece of land. Israel was created by powers that controlled the area after world war II. "
As if you were referring to history, yet you do not wish to converse about, quote on quote: "1500 years ago", yet prior to World War Ii was pushing over a 100 yrs ago.
My Grandpop was shot over 15 times, has shrapnel from grenades, bombs, pipe bombs, the top of his head was burned so bad from torture. Do you wish to continue to talk your BS?

You know what, after Grandpop was healed up, he signed back up. Even Permanent Leave options were sent to him as an honorable discharge, he never once gave it thought.

I'm not upset, you are simply misguided, more like made dumb: it is not your fault. You've been lied to far too much.

@FitAndTrimYetThick: I have no idea what you are so mad about? What about my quoted statement is wrong?

Your grandpop was a brave honorable man. I don't understand how his experience relates to the historical accuracy of my statement.

I have been lied to far too much? Lied to by whom? What lies?

Your prognosis that Israel does not deserve the promised land, that land was given to them long ago, handed down through generations, go back far enough God Himself passed it to His Son's people. They are God's chosen people that lay rights to obtain it as they see fit. It's kind of like my PEOPLE the Native Americans were the true land possessors of America. We were killed, kicked out of our homes, sold into slavery. I'm not mad at all, just letting everyone know Palestine has no claim to any of the land. They can live there, but it's not up for new ownership!

Sorry, I heard Iceland is free for the taking!!!

@FitAndTrimYetThick: I did not say that Israel does not deserve the promised land. I am saying that trying to claim that they deserve it because their God promised it to them is a bad basis for the argument. Lots of people have been displaced from their homes and made to move over the past few thousand years. I do think that Israel has every right to exist. It is a fully functional, entirely independent, legitimate country now. It has proven itself in politics and war and stands as the country of Israel, that is not going to change.

What I said, and what you agree with on premise, is that Palestinian nationalism is really anti semitism in disguise.

If you are native american then that is a whole nother topic that I address in a separate post.

@MarsSword:
I realize that me stating I was Native AMERICAN, has nothing to do with the Israel debate, but I was simply showing that the Indians had every right to exist; the same as Israelites do.

Now those two people groups face very different circumstances in very different time frames. Like I said I will be quite willing to talk to you about the Native American issues in post that I made about that.

I agree with you that Israelites have every right to exist. If you paid careful attention to what I said you would see that.

@MarsSword:
I must have missed that portion of your post, either over looked it, in this circumstance; I am VERY sorry.
What others never get about an argument, that is how a debate starts, good debaters can find compromise, but I am glad to know you, Sir, most others cannot debate.
Now, I understand the confusion between you and I. It was like you were pushing for me to view my position and value my key points as yours. I was lost.

@FitAndTrimYetThick: I think we generally agree about it, though my methodology for my points is different.

@MarsSword:
I agree.

@silmarilion456:
You simply live too much in the past. Otherwise, veryyy good point.

@tynamite:
Your photo is not showing that you agree with Israelites exciting, there was or is no Palestinian, so for me we are debating nothing. Yet, you say Israel can exist. It seems like you are talking out of both sides of your face.

@tynamite:
Free the Palestinian State somewhere else. The take resources and they are money hungry bastards