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Mugin16 · 46-50, M
Do you mean the first Cold War or the current one?
Mugin16 · 46-50, M
@LookingForTheSummer The one against Russia or the one against China?
LookingForTheSummer · 31-35, M
@Mugin16 I am curious to know about both tbh
Mugin16 · 46-50, M
@LookingForTheSummer Well, the power of U.S. is in decline and China's is rising and Russia's is resurgent. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the U.S. regards the entire planet as its sphere of influence and denies that any other country has the right to a sphere of influence. Needless to say that this must lead to conflict.
LookingForTheSummer · 31-35, M
@Mugin16 And how do you feel about this? Do you think this affects your life, perhaps?
LookingForTheSummer · 31-35, M
@wildbill83 Do you think it is likely to see China's collapse? Unfortunately, they are very powerful economically, and we can say many countries depend on China.
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
@LookingForTheSummer
The same was thought of Russia in the 80's...
as for dependence, the rest of the world can survive without China (and did prior to 50's because they were still a 3rd world backwater country), the west built modern China...
they can't survive without rest of world, mainly due to the fact that don't possess a great quantity of natural and strategic resources (they're completely dependent on imports for iron and coal); they also have very little oil, most of which they import from Russia, which is quickly running out of it...
they are very powerful economically
The same was thought of Russia in the 80's...
as for dependence, the rest of the world can survive without China (and did prior to 50's because they were still a 3rd world backwater country), the west built modern China...
they can't survive without rest of world, mainly due to the fact that don't possess a great quantity of natural and strategic resources (they're completely dependent on imports for iron and coal); they also have very little oil, most of which they import from Russia, which is quickly running out of it...
LookingForTheSummer · 31-35, M
@wildbill83 You have some points, but the thing is, even the US depends on China somehow. Many big companies have factories in China because of cheap labor.
I am just saying this depending is mutual here. It is not like it's only them who need China. China needs them as well.
I am just saying this depending is mutual here. It is not like it's only them who need China. China needs them as well.
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
@LookingForTheSummer gotta look at things from a logistical standpoint, not from the end result...
yes, a lot of products (usually cheap, garbage, household products) come from China
where do the designs/patents for those products come from?... the west
where do the raw materials for those products come from?... the west
where does the marking for those products come from?... the west
where does the demand (and therefore profit) for those products come from?... the west
Automation can replace labor, it can't replace the rest...
people are getting fed up with China, their poor products/lack of quality control, their unscrupulous trade deals, their ignorance of patents/intellectual rights, their counterfeit products, their ignorance of health & safety standards, etc.
their handling of covid is only proof of the underlying problem...
not very good business on their part when they alienate their suppliers and kill their customers...
yes, a lot of products (usually cheap, garbage, household products) come from China
where do the designs/patents for those products come from?... the west
where do the raw materials for those products come from?... the west
where does the marking for those products come from?... the west
where does the demand (and therefore profit) for those products come from?... the west
Automation can replace labor, it can't replace the rest...
people are getting fed up with China, their poor products/lack of quality control, their unscrupulous trade deals, their ignorance of patents/intellectual rights, their counterfeit products, their ignorance of health & safety standards, etc.
their handling of covid is only proof of the underlying problem...
not very good business on their part when they alienate their suppliers and kill their customers...
CynicGirl · 26-30, F
@wildbill83 you do know that most valuable resources are in africa and asia... especially north korea has a ridiculous amount of rare erath materials and if they werent a retarded autocratie they could be rich like norway.
you are rigth on the branding and marketing for the products.. sotheast asia (not even countin india here) has 4 times the market of the americas and europe... you underestimate how many people live there and how big that buying power is growing exponentially while in the west people get poorer or stagnate.
china has a bigger pool of allies then the usa now, they are giving countries deals they cant refuse... like leasing a port for a 100 years while paying for all the countries debts.
the only thign america has going for it is still an advantage in ideas and innovation, while china copies it... but america has to many people clinging to old business like steel plants and oil producing while they are highly suspectibel to the silicon valley. china embraces these new technologies.. not just the products but the technologies it self.
you are rigth on the branding and marketing for the products.. sotheast asia (not even countin india here) has 4 times the market of the americas and europe... you underestimate how many people live there and how big that buying power is growing exponentially while in the west people get poorer or stagnate.
china has a bigger pool of allies then the usa now, they are giving countries deals they cant refuse... like leasing a port for a 100 years while paying for all the countries debts.
the only thign america has going for it is still an advantage in ideas and innovation, while china copies it... but america has to many people clinging to old business like steel plants and oil producing while they are highly suspectibel to the silicon valley. china embraces these new technologies.. not just the products but the technologies it self.
LookingForTheSummer · 31-35, M
@wildbill83 I think CynicGirl gave a good answer. The world is not just about the west.
Also, don't get me wrong. I don't support China or anything like that, but we have to see the facts here. China is way more important for the world than you think.
Just look at what they have done to the world with covid. They're not taking any responsibility. And no country can make China do it. Unfortunately, that is the truth.
Also, don't get me wrong. I don't support China or anything like that, but we have to see the facts here. China is way more important for the world than you think.
Just look at what they have done to the world with covid. They're not taking any responsibility. And no country can make China do it. Unfortunately, that is the truth.