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Do you believe there is truth?

What is truth to you? Is there more than one 'truth'?
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Thodsis · 51-55, M
I suppose a definition of truth could be 'that which exists independently of the observer'. In the sense that there is an objective reality that can be accessed and appreciated as such.
Winterwanderer · 26-30, M
I agree, but how do we prove such a reality? If not by observing?
Thodsis · 51-55, M
It depends on what level of proof we would require. We are locked into a certain way of experiencing the universe just because of what we are. Absolute certainty seems a bit out of the question.

We do seem to have developed a pretty good method for identifying reality though. Put simply it's a case of pointing at something and saying 'there it is'. If enough people agree over a long enough time that 'it is there' then we achieve the closest thing we can get to a truth.
Winterwanderer · 26-30, M
Great reasoning, something so definite as location is more easily defined for all, but you could call to question whether that object exists where it is observed to exist, because what if it exists elsewhere yet we may only perceive it to be "there", or what if it is only there if we perceive it to be? What happens when the world is hidden from our senses?

I believe ideas can be absolute once terms are defined, such as mathematics. Take, for instance, if we say nothing can be known absolutely, or the truth can not be known, is not that am absolute truth that you claim? But it contradicts itself, though the opposite can be said like, some things are true.
Thodsis · 51-55, M
I've tended to think that whole 'unheard tree falling in the forest' was a bit of a distraction. It's a great idea to think about but the fact remains that we all behave as if objects have an independent existence. That behaviour has proved to be very reliable.

As to maths, that's a fascinating one. It seems to be a perfect example of truth. Whether it's an invention or a discovery is something that I'm still not sure of. But it's incredibly precise definition of terms is perhaps what makes it so convincing.

That precision is something that the rest of language lacks. And so we are discussing exactly what truth is. And have been doing for a very long time...
Winterwanderer · 26-30, M
Yeah, so I guess there really isn't a whole lot of a point in denying the existence of reality (or the existence of existence) besides just to think about it, to just wonder.

If language could be so definite as mathematics, if people could speak the same words & mean the same thing, that would be wonderful & ideal, but what happens to connotation & the different meanings of a word? Since things are not ideal necessarily, how do we remedy this? Should not we just seek to truly understand the words of one another & the meaning implied, or should we, instead, either create a new language or create new words for the ones we already have?
Thodsis · 51-55, M
I think there's a lot of enjoyment to be had from a less than perfect language. The ambiguities give us poetry and humour.
Winterwanderer · 26-30, M
That's true, I see the value in that, our own language is great for all that it is, but in a completely utilitarian language, would we need be able to convey more accurately our thoughts? With less confusion & great clarity?
Thodsis · 51-55, M
It depends what utility our language should perform. One use that we put it to is in the transferal of information. We make statements of fact.

But it's not the only use. We also use language as a form of social grease. If you think about a lot of conversations that you've enjoyed you must admit that a lot of what we say to each other is just placatory noises.
Winterwanderer · 26-30, M
Yeah, and honestly, the meaning behind someones words can most often be understood through clarification or just seeking & putting in the effort to actually understanding thoroughly what the other person is trying to convey.