Do you agree with Hillary: GUNS do not keep us safe

Are you on crack

It's called training, you don't get behind the wheel on your 12th birthday with no training and drive... Your firearm should be an extension of you, muscle memory

Goralski - I do not think a person under the influence of crack could form sentences like this.

That's wrong too lol I've picked a few up that tried to sound well read

Travelfun - It's far more than muscle power though. It's to scare people away from doing something in most of the time, and if they dont get scared... nothing good can come out of it. You shoot them, then you'll very easily be a murderer... Training is not enough, once youre put in the situation where you pull the gun on a real person, your training won't mean more than knowing how to hit your target.

So you believe if you pull a gun, the other person will as well right? Alright I can see that, but what I think I'm reading wrong is the fact that you believe if you pull out a knife, the attacker will either run away or try to fight?

And you know this from experience? I'm going to stop here as it's clear that you arnt even reading my posts. Simple, you feel the need to disarm someone, see how far it gets you, if every law abiding citizen in the us was armed, a criminal would have a 50/50 chance of being shot. If you think for one second that I will be charged with murder for defending my life or the life of my family you need to get off the liberal media websites and do some real research. Why did Japan not invade the mainland United States in WW2? Because there would be a gun behind every blade of grass. Oh I said muscle memory, not muscle power.

Well then you are mistaken as i do read what you write. Murder will always be murder, reasoning doesnt negate that fact.

There's actually two completely different things between murder, and self-defense. There's murder, which you apparently know at least a little about, but then in the case of self-defense there's something called justifiable homicide, ever heard of it? I'm guessing not

Native21 - Im not talking laws here, im talking facts. If you're as wise as you claim, tell me the difference between killing for selfish reasons, and killing for selfish reasons.

How is protecting myself and countless other people selfish? What do you think the person will think, "oh shit, he pulled a gun out on me I better not do that again"? Chances are not, then they are going off and going to try to do it again. Hypothetically speaking, let's say it's you. Well fuck, you don't have anything to protect yourself. Police are 5 minutes out, plus you have to find a way to call them in the first place. Well damn, now you've been shot, he's running away to leave you for dead, and your bleeding out. Now if I permanently took care of the problem, you would have never had to worry about it. So how would it be that I was being selfish? Or let's take it a little further, a mother and her two young children get approached by the person. I couldn't live with that fact, because I'm a selfless person.

Protecting yourself from being murdered by murdering holds a selfish reason. In that scenario you claim your own life to be worth more than someone with the intent to kill you.

Protecting someone else from being murdered without a selfish reason means that you believe you have the right to decide who lives and dies, meaning you think you're above their lives, meaning you're playing god for a moment because you're holding a gun. No one has given you the right to kill, not even for someone else's sake.

Murdering is the same as killing a person in defense, because what do you do in both cases? You kill a person by judging their right to live based on your own beliefs. Killing is murder, no matter in what form it's done.

Also I'll have you know, that the reason "I would do it because I know I couldn't live with the knowledge of not protecting them" has quite the hidden selfish motive, as you kill them in order for yourself to feel better about yourself. Just pointing it out.

You are a different kind of crazy, that person chose whether they would have the chance to live or die themselves, not by me. I'm not going out shooting random people.Unless you believe no one should pay for what they know is wrong, then your statement contradicts Itself. Which can bring us into a religious point of view, personally I'm a Christian, I do not believe I would ever say I would be playing God. Simply making common sense actions. If saving an innocent mother and children makes me selfish, then fuck with everything. I AM THE MOST SELFISH PERSON ON EARTH. Simple as that. It's like saying I just seen a murder, should I tell anyone? Fuck no according to your thoughts, because then I "play God" if I do because that could lead to the incarnation and execution, which means I decided whether that person lived or died. Which ultimately I would tell the authorities, because I believe in justice. So with all this being said I'm done with this conversation, we see different views, we're human that's what happens. But I will leave you on a thought about what the entire question was about. Looks at Chicago's gun laws, then look at its gun violence.

If you are a christian, then how come you support murdering people for your own sake? Couldn't Jesus defend himself from everyone who wanted him dead? Of course he could, yet he didn't. When his friend defended him by cutting the messengers ear off with his sword, Jesus told his friend to put the sword down, as anyone who uses a sword, will be killed by the sword. I am a true christian.