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EllaDisenchanted · F
I'm accepting as far as I'm not about to pitchfork and torch them out of town. But I don't pretend it's natural. They need mental health and access to professionals like any other person struggling with issues.
Fernie · F
@EllaDisenchanted When a person goes as far as altering their bodies to match their feelings...they cannot do this without a lot of therapy. Transgender people hurt no one. They are not dangerous, they are not perverts, they are not mentally ill. Ignorant transphobics are the dangerous ones. Straight white males are a thousand times more dangerous than a transgender person
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@EllaDisenchanted Something I wanna point out is that "natural" is a very loaded term. Many things we used daily aren't "natural" and they're essential to our survival Many "natural" things are bad for you. See what happens if some git eats poison oak for example.
Our lifespan increased due to medical science synthesizing chemicals - that's not "natural", but I dunno about you, I prefer not dying at 25 from the common cold.
Our lifespan increased due to medical science synthesizing chemicals - that's not "natural", but I dunno about you, I prefer not dying at 25 from the common cold.
EllaDisenchanted · F
@Fernie @basilfawlty89 Genetics are genetics, feelings are feelings and mental issues are mental issues. That being said, no one has the right to terrorize anyone else and there should be support to help those who have been abused as such.
Fernie · F
@EllaDisenchanted still..."normal" is relative
EllaDisenchanted · F
@Fernie And everyone has opinions. That's the beauty of things.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@EllaDisenchanted True, you are of course entitled to your opinions. But none of us are entitled to our own facts. I go by what medical science tells me. Medical science tells me sex and gender, while having an influence on another, is not the same thing. Medical science tells me our identities as men or women or non-binary is more than our genitals or some vague chromosome pattern that most people don't even know their own of with full knowledge.
Normal and natural are relative. Basing ethics out of that doesn't make sense, in all honesty, any appeals to nature, religion (not that you did it), etc. is what Max Stirner would call a spook. If it's not backed up by data, it's white noise.
Normal and natural are relative. Basing ethics out of that doesn't make sense, in all honesty, any appeals to nature, religion (not that you did it), etc. is what Max Stirner would call a spook. If it's not backed up by data, it's white noise.
EllaDisenchanted · F
@basilfawlty89 The genetic/identity link is still being studied. It might very well be a true link but we honestly don't know yet, and as time and research goes on there's so much to discover. That's actually quite exciting in itself.
But we shouldn't just go along with this newer concept that a man putting on a dress suddenly makes him a woman on any level outside of psychologically. As we learn things perhaps we'll see more of a link between nonbinary sexuality and identy alongside genetics. But until then we can't push our own individual agendas but instead look at what we know.
But this isn't a post on that. It's a post based on opinionated feedback.
But we shouldn't just go along with this newer concept that a man putting on a dress suddenly makes him a woman on any level outside of psychologically. As we learn things perhaps we'll see more of a link between nonbinary sexuality and identy alongside genetics. But until then we can't push our own individual agendas but instead look at what we know.
But this isn't a post on that. It's a post based on opinionated feedback.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@EllaDisenchanted Sure, but that's also not how transitioning works and most people who are trans have experience gender dysphoria for most of the time they can remember.
Gender Affirmation Therapy is not just someone putting on a dress. On the contrary it takes psychiatric and medical evaluation to be allowing and the person does change in some ways genetically - i.e hormonal changes.
Both males and females have testosterone and estrogen, the difference is males have more testosterone and females more estrogen. People who undergo GAT get estrogen to change their physiology. In addition, on a genetic basis - there seems to be a lot of evidence that trans people have brains wired differently to the sex they were born as. Meaning yeah, trans people likely were born that way.
Gender Affirmation Therapy is not just someone putting on a dress. On the contrary it takes psychiatric and medical evaluation to be allowing and the person does change in some ways genetically - i.e hormonal changes.
Both males and females have testosterone and estrogen, the difference is males have more testosterone and females more estrogen. People who undergo GAT get estrogen to change their physiology. In addition, on a genetic basis - there seems to be a lot of evidence that trans people have brains wired differently to the sex they were born as. Meaning yeah, trans people likely were born that way.
EllaDisenchanted · F
@basilfawlty89 Yes, there's far more to it than putting on a dress. Unfortunately, the majority of people that identify as trans do just that then get let down because it doesn't magically fix it. Why? Because, like so many other issues, people tend to self diagnose. When they go online to find information, like most people, it'll be more appealing to look for other people's personal experiences rather than information on diagnostics and mental health.
The number of people that identify as trans is supposedly (because numbers from ANY source are still number and it's hard to number a constantly fluctuation people base) 1 to 3 percent of overall population. Of that how many are ACTUALLY diagnosed?
The post itself was a pokey question so I take it with a grain of salt.
The number of people that identify as trans is supposedly (because numbers from ANY source are still number and it's hard to number a constantly fluctuation people base) 1 to 3 percent of overall population. Of that how many are ACTUALLY diagnosed?
The post itself was a pokey question so I take it with a grain of salt.