Do you hide that your gay at work?

@YouCanCallMeDan Do you feel the same way about heterosexual flirting, etc. at work ?

@bijouxbroussard Yeah I don’t think women should be in the work place. I’ve always worked with men and there’s no messing about, we just get the work done. I worked in a supermarket last year for a few months and lots of women worked there. It was mayhem

@YouCanCallMeDan You don’t think women have a right to earn a living ?

@bijouxbroussard yes they have been given that right. I don’t think it benefits society. I believe in traditional gender roles. They are tried and tested

@YouCanCallMeDan You can “believe” in that. You lose no autonomy by doing so. But it’s a bell that cannot be “unrung”. Those women who prefer the restrictions of the traditional roles are free to resume them. Those of us who don’t, don’t have to, thankfully.

@bijouxbroussard if it were proved that having females in the workplace was bad for society would women still want to work? If so why?

@YouCanCallMeDan Who would prove it ? And how ? If it were proven that some men’s predatory behavior towards women was a factor in the conflict, would that behavior lessen ?

@YouCanCallMeDan I didn't realise you had such a way of thinking. Is this some tyoe of joke?

@bijouxbroussard you just make comparisons to how society was before women entered the workplace. Have women become happier since entering the workforce? Have divorce rates decreased? Are children better off without mothers? Has production in the workplace increased since women started working?

There’s many ways to work out if it was a positive change

@Peppa I don’t know what you mean. I’m not making jokes

@YouCanCallMeDan Divorce simply means women are able to get out of miserable marriages. If all women had been [b]happy[/b] married, pregnant and at home, there would’ve been no changes. I had no idea you held such contempt for both women and the 21st century, tbh.

@YouCanCallMeDan [quote]Yeah I don’t think women should be in the work place. I’ve always worked with men and there’s no messing about, we just get the work done. I worked in a supermarket last year for a few months and lots of women worked there. It was mayhem[/quote]

@Peppa it’s a true story. I had one woman that would whisper sexual things into my ear as I worked. I reported it to the female manager and she said “we like to have fun here” women would gang up against other women too. It was like being back at high school

@YouCanCallMeDan that's one bad place with strange behaviour that doesn't represent all women. And it shows how narrow minded you are for thinking that way.
All I can say is although not nice you got a taste of what many women experience in the workplace. It's funny the manager said that to you as its a term often used by male managers. Did you feel preyed upon? Inferior? Undermined?
Horrible right?
That was a lesson for you, that you haven't grasped.
You have displayed a very ignorant side today, and I am actually gutted!

@Peppa that was the only example I could give because that was my only experience of working with women.
I only really made a joke of it to the manager because I’d of felt embarrassed to make an official complaint.
The lesson I learnt from my experience of working with women was that women don’t take work as seriously as men do. There are too many distractions. There was a love triangle going on too. Then the gossiping. It wasn’t for me.
I’m sorry you think I’m ignorant. I’m not sure what it is that I’m ignorant to though. Hope you don’t block me too

@YouCanCallMeDan still making generalisations. [quote]women don’t take work as seriously as men do. There are too many distractions. There was a love triangle going on too. Then the gossiping. It wasn’t for me.[/quote]

That's really nasty. I work for a female dentist and she worked hard to get her own practice and her team of women work with her to maintain it. Yes there is a level of gossiping and bitching but that's normal. Men also do this. You hear about it all the time. And they also love to hear the office gossip even if they don't pass it on. It keeps you in the loop. Perhaps during your time off from work it will give you something to think about and your stance on women in the workplace because I'm sorry to have to break it to you but there is no longer any industry that Isn't allowed to not hire a woman whether it's lower end and slowly higher end positions, once she is deemed qualified for the job she has as much right as men!

I don’t think gossiping and bitching is normal practice in a workplace. I’ve never seen anything about it in any work contract.

I’m not disputing that women have the right to work. I know they do. I was questioning if women being in the workplace benefits men , women and children. And society as a whole.

@YouCanCallMeDan it greatly benefits families. The way we work in England is oppressive. Margaret Thatcher time ruined England due to the need for jobs and the only place that really had them was London. Families were broken as financially it's cheaper to live with family. You have no child care fees if you have grandparents close by. Mentally people cope better with stress with a stronger home unit.
So to answer your question women work is good.
Gossiping and bitching may very well not be included in work but it happens, that's life, and often how business do business or severe ties, people get promoted or demoted, head hunted etc etc...

It doesn’t benefit families though. Children need to be mothered by their mothers. Men need to be able to provide. Providing is what men do and mothering children is what women do. That’s how a family works.

If women working is good for families then why are families failing to stay together? Why are divorces happening more often? If working women are strengthening families then shouldn’t divorce rates be falling?

@YouCanCallMeDan having a women in work is a good way to show women that they don't have to be stuck to the home to be classified as a women. For young boys it's teaches them that although a mother can show love and provide it's not her role to do everything in the home and it's not the man's role to carry the burden of paying all the bills. It's a partnership. They both bring different things to the table and both take responsibility for the net worth they both have.
As for divorce that's a completely different story.
Relationships break down for an array of different reasons, divorces are no different. A lot of people go into marriages not realising the amount of work required to keep it going. A lot of people think marriage resolves all issues they had before. A lot of people grow and change. Sexual differences, preferences, exclusivity. Health issues. Family values, lack of support, I'm sure I could list more reasons. But you have to look at divorce rates in regards to the amount of marriages. I know many people that don't want to get married. They don't see it as having any benefit and can cause more problems than good. If marriages are breaking down due to women working more then more power to women, because we no longer have to put up with and bs just to keep a roof over our heads. There have been too many years of oppression in marriages, from husbands from their family or his family, in the work place etc now it's recognized that everyone is entitled to independence and being single isn't the end of the world.

Imagine you had a wife in your current situation, how would that make for a happy dynamic?

Now think about her having her own source of income and a decent one at that? now think again!

@Peppa it hasn’t benefited families at all. It’s unnatural. How does a young girl learn how to be a mother when she is older? From observing how her mother mothered her. How does a young boy learn how to be a man? By observing the actions of his father. If a boy observes his father pretending to be a mother then what sort of example does that set him? How will a boy ever know what being a man is if his father doesn’t behave like a man?

Can you not see how this could be damaging? Masculinity will become obsolete. Is that what you want? A world full of men that behave like women and women that behave like men!? Is that what the world needs?

@YouCanCallMeDan I think your seeing this with a very black and white view. Women are women regardless. And so are men. It's what you feel within yourself that defines you as a person. Not the roles and views society puts on you.
There are some women who are maternal and feminine and others that aren't. There are so men who are masculine and others that aren't doesn't that stop you from being what you are genetically? Your sexual organs determine whether you're a man or a woman.
Your mindset determines how you will be as a person and how you feel inside.
When couples come together with no preconceptions of how a relationship should go you are free to define the relationship however you deem fit and it will match both your needs, why because when you are being your true honest selves, you provide the best you, when you want the best for both of you you work with each other and you work at making a relationship strong with communication, love and understanding. Children a free to be children and they learn how to fit into the world through their daily interactions with their families friends but mostly their parents. If the home is a loving and strong home which shows children disputes that are resolved they learn that yes, people aren't perfect but with understanding and a need to resolve things they can still maintain a loving relationship. That is what makes relationships poor today. Lack of compromise and understanding. The world has become too selfish and not because women are working.

No, human behaviour is learnt.

@YouCanCallMeDan well as that's the case children and society will adjust to the changes that are currently in place. One I long to see.
I know in my own situation if my mum hadn't stuck at it with my father we would have had a better life. She was always dependant on him to make important changes in her life and looking back she regrets it, as she says she had so many opportunities but didn't take them because she wanted to emulate what her parents had which is now 57 years of marriage. The jokes thing is my parents have been together 30years and have nothing to show for it except dysfunction and sadness...!!!

@Peppa Having a mother and father is much better for children than only having one parent.