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I'm really hoping DACA is here to stay.

It hurts my heart seeing people so hateful. There's more to being an American than your papers. Especially when you had no power or choice over being here.
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Anopenheart · 56-60, M Best Comment
so much for the promise of the american dream. donald is destroying it for citizens and immigrants and everyone
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xRockGlossPrincessx · 26-30, F
@Anopenheart Just goes to show how hateful and heartless Americans can be. A lot of us are so spoiled.
katielass · F
@Anopenheart Trump isn't destroying anything for anyone. We could start with blaming the parents, as they are the ones who brought them here illegally. But we're over that. I suggest you educate yourself on the issue so you won't look woefully ignorant. Trump rescinding obama's illegal EO is merely a formality. The 5th circuit court already invalidated it. It is not in the presidents authority, the responsibility belongs to congress. Now trump has pointedly dumped it in their lap and it's up to them to decide what to do, pass a law allowing them to stay or not passing a law and they get deported.
@katielass Should be "best answer" as far as I am concerned. Kudos, Katie.
katielass · F
@Elandra77 Thank you. It's just the truth. :)
Anopenheart · 56-60, M
@katielass congres could have passed a law regarding DACA years ago. they punted. they refused to do anything while obama was president. so obmaa acted within his right to make executive orders. the court may rule it isn't constitutional, which it has not in the case of DACA. It did in a separate one. how is donalds executive orders, which are far more than obmama ever did, any more constitutional? He has already had some of his executive orders struck down by the courts. Finally, how does striking down DACA fit within the mandate of our american dream? How is it moral, or kind, or christian or how does it promote believing in what america promises to the world?
Anopenheart · 56-60, M
@Greenbare do you even know what DACA is and who it applies to? they aren't migrant workers. these are young people going to school. getting an education, working as regular jobs, paying TAXES, and they pay a $500 fee every time they renew. they can't have any criminal record as well. most of them dont speak spanish, have no clue about mexican culture, are far more american than anything else. and yet, somehow they threaten your job?
katielass · F
@Anopenheart Yes, I;m very well aware of that. It was a subject that wasn't even brought up when obama had control of both houses of congress. Surprise surprise! He decided it was something he was going to use as a wedge issue once he lost congress but he didn't lead, he badmouthed the repubs, tried to use it as a weapon on the repubs. And then of course, without waiting to see if they'd act, as we all know, he illegally started giving them work permits. He could have merely not deported them but he (wrongly) thought he could do as he pleased. The 5th circuit didn't like that, they ordered him to stop. And when he didn't stop the judge called his ass in to asnwer for it. The 5th circuit invalidated what he did. Trump, understanding he doesn't have the authority to act like a king, has punted it to the congress. And he did so very publically. If they don't deal with it, they will be held accountable because it's their job. How accountable will depend on how the people feel next year but the overwhelming majority of Americans want those kids to stay. They did nothing wrong.
Anopenheart · 56-60, M
@katielass then why are you defending donald for promising in the campaign to repeal DACA? the majority of americans support DACA. ti is a good program. it does what the GOP congress coudl have done but refused to do. they had every chance. obama didn't stop them. by the way, you have a very different version of history than the rest of us do.
katielass · F
@Anopenheart Yes, these are kids who were brought here as kids and most know nothing but here. It would be cruel to send them to a strange land. They aren't the ones who did anything wrong.
katielass · F
@Anopenheart I have not said anything about trump's campaign promiseother than to mentioned to simplytracie that it was a campaign promise. There is nothing to defend. He merely rescinded something the courts have already invalidated. And he did so in order to punt the issue to congress so they know we're all watching and waiting for them to deal with. It was actually quite brilliant of him to do it this way. Congress can no longer look like deer caught in headlights when someone mentions it. They know they must act. It is their responsibility. We're all watching.
Anopenheart · 56-60, M
@katielass brillian, yes, courageous, no. he doesn't have the balls to own this or lead on the issue. A president is suppposed to be a leader, to inspire people, to get congress to pass legislation he can sign. He is supposed to unite people and congress to do the greater good, not threaten with deadlines. obama spoke numerous times on immigration, DACA, doing the right thing by innocent children who want to be americans and live our dream. Donald has just been a bully and not inspired any united, just division. he bragged about being this big negotiator, deal maker. he did nothing to pass healthcare reform, he didn't even know what it was or how complicated it is. he made no effort to actually get the GOP to pass their own bill that no one even knew. Why isn't donald speakking about how this is a good bill in order to inspire congress to do the right thing instead of threatening?
katielass · F
@Anopenheart Actually, there is no further leadership required. This is the responsibility of congress and they can either pass a law giving these kids permanent residency status and the ability to work or they can ignore. The choice is simple, trump has played his role and he played it beautifully. obama could have been smart and done the same thing but he couldn't resist playing king.
Anopenheart · 56-60, M
@katielass then what is the point of having a president? donald bragged about threatening this and getting congress or other countries to do all these things, but that is what kings and dictators do. A true leader inspires. dont you expect donald to do anythign to lead us, to inspire us to help with hurricane harvey instead of brag about crowd size?what good is a president who just delegates to congress? for years you guys complained that obama didn't unite our country, despite the fact that the GOP made it perfectly clear they would do nothing while he was president. why aren't you demanding that donald lead, and inspire, and motivate his own party, let alone the rest of the nation, to actually get something done? So far, he and congress have not passed a single piece of significant legislation. none. and they have a majority in both houses. they can't blame the democrats. they have the votes. who will you blame if congresss still wont pass DACA so donald doesn't have to take responsibility for it?
katielass · F
@Anopenheart You're preaching to the choir. I'm rather used to uninspiring presidents. We haven't had one that inspired since Reagan. Bush 43 was a little bit after 9/11 but that's all.
Anopenheart · 56-60, M
@katielass did you just tune out all the times obama appealed to our better natures, reached across the aisle to the GOP. admitted mistakes and tried to find compromise? did you tune out the first year when he tried to pass a jobs bill during the recession in order to put people back to work, and the GOP would not even talk to him . or when he begged for their inpute on healthcare reform adn tehy demanded mandates, he gave it to them in order to make healthcare bi partisan, and then, once they got mandates, they pulled all their support for it? I invite you to listen to his speech in charleston and not be inspired.
Anopenheart · 56-60, M
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/26/politics/obama-charleston-eulogy-pastor/index.html
Anopenheart · 56-60, M
@katielass also, i think you might be jumping the gun on the legality of it. the courts have not made a final decision on whether it is constitutional. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dreamers-daca-decision-trump-sessions_us_59aee270e4b0354e440d079a?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
TexChik · F
@Anopenheart the American dream is exactly that ... for AMERICANS ! NOT whomever corrupt libs want to give it to . The entire ruse about this so called altruism is that ALL the child's extended family comes on over too.. and were given all the entitlements even Americans we're not privey to. The piggy bank is broke ... and foreigners are NOT entitled to live here. Let's take care of the homeless and our veterans ... and help AMERICANS .
Anopenheart · 56-60, M
@TexChik where do you think most americans came from ? we are the children of immigrants that came here based on the american dream. Our ancestors took this land from the native people. and then told people from all over the world to come here and make it better. A nation of opportunity to make your life over. That is why we adopted the symbol of the statue of liberty. it is our national story. and now you are saying it only applies to americans? you say the piggy bank is broke, the government accounting office and others have estimated that repealing DACA could cost our economy $215 billion dollars in lost economic outpoint. not to mention the cost of sending 10 million people back across the border. meanwhile, we need the help of mexico in fighting the drug war. do you think they will help us after doing this humanitarian nightmare?
TexChik · F
@Anopenheart most of us were born American , the rest immigrated legally . Those that are here illegally are subject to deportation ...
Anopenheart · 56-60, M
@TexChik yes, i know that, but that ignores my question,, nor does it address the practical reality or economic or humanitarian cost of what you are saying
TexChik · F
@Anopenheart it costs the US 90 billion per year to deal with illegals . A wall will cost a billion ... one time . The savings alone is worth the deal . There will be no humanitarian issues when illegals realize there isn't a free ride in America , only jail. Libs want illegals to vote , that's no secret , and they don't care how they get those new voters in here ... they just want them in here.
Anopenheart · 56-60, M
@TexChik the wall will cost 20 billion and will harldy make a dent in illegal immigration. we will still have to patrol and maintain the wall. what about the 10 million illegals that are already here paying taxes and contributing to our economy far and above that fictitious 90 billion are are talking about? try thinking about the bigger picture and answer the questions i raise instead of lurching from one narrow talking point to another. it isn't as simple as you make it out to be
TexChik · F
@Anopenheart so sayeth the libtard .🙄. Illegal immigration is down 60 % just by word of mouth alone .. strong physical barriers will dramatically decrease the influx of illegals .. or why else would you libs be against it ? Those who are here illegally need to become legal or get out ... paying Taxes ? What a crock .