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I'm lately upset because of some generalizations that are being made here about Muslims.

I know that there's this of speech's freedom and I understand but is it possible to be more objetive and avoid making unfair generalizations that border on hate apology and pretty egocentric by the way.
We believe any culture has to be the same as ours. We are unable to see that there are other ways to live and think.
Any population has a context, a History a way to rule their communities. And we tend to label as bad anything that is different to our thinking parameters.

I'm not stupid to ignore that there are followers from an Islam's branch who use Religion as a context to impose a model of society totally different to ours. And mainly, what they seek is to avoid Western Society culture penetrate them. This is the real origin of this yihad and they will use all the means, including confronting us to the rest of Muslims.

I loved a sentence by a user here some days ago. Sorry, I can't remember the nickname but I'm gonna look it up. She came to say that the problem of Daish is in the Islam but it isn't the Islam.

I ask you to read and listen to the experts and do your own researches.
I only ask for that. Don't believe what I say, only think by yourself and know the truth.

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Challenger1 · M

A form of ignorance is hating that which is different. A form of rational thought is viewing something seeing its merit and judging it by such.

Two truths that we must keep in mind:
Not all cultures are equal in terms of merit and values. No culture has it all right.

Those two truths are important to the discourse.

I agree that every culture has a history and a background. Every culture has a set of rules. Just because every culture has a set of rules does not mean that those rules are good. Quantifying is hard. But getting a sense of what is bad is not so hard when contrasted.

Now if we are talking particularly about Islam as a religion and the culture most often associated with the religion. We must consider its flaws and its success. A success would be the faith and the charity. A failure the terrorism that rises on a much higher scale than any other religion or political movement. A success, intolerance of theft and murder. A failure, very limited human rights for women and a very intolerant perspective on those who do not share the same religious beliefs.

There are many flaws and many areas where in my opinion and when measured against a code of human rights our culture (western)is supperior to that most often associated with Islam.

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Challenger1 · M

@IstillmissEP is that not what I was saying? That there are fairly objective reasons to say that western culture is superior to middle eastern Islamic culture?

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Challenger1 · M

@IstillmissEP now I am not sure at all where you are going or how it relates to my comment

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Challenger1 · M

@IstillmissEP oh, I see.

twistermind · 51-55, F

@Challenger1 Our culture can be better now since we respect Human Rights Declaration but how long did it take us? Come on, not many time ago, in my country, women had to have a permission from their husbands to travel by themselves.

We are asking people who has a totally different view to think just like us and change completely their ways of ruling themselves. I think that we have only the right to ask them for respect our laws when they come to our countries. Nothing else.
And support their movements for Democracy in their countries.

Challenger1 · M

@twistermind the amount of time it took us to reach these conclusions is not really important. Not all cultures are guaranteed to evolve to ours. These are not linear progressions. And there is no reason to assume it is impossible to give people a head start on what we had. Other cultures are more than happy to invent the technological advances from the west. Along with those comes western influence and interests.

And we as westerners and powers have a respinsibility to protect human rights as we understand them. And do our best to prevent ongoing massive violations. I know this has not historically been our actual motivating factor in wars in the Middle East. But it should be going forward. And we certainly have a responsibility to enforce our laws on those who wish to live I western countries.

Finally we have the freedom and with such the right to be able to weigh another culture and make up our mind about what about it is good and what is bad.

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twistermind · 51-55, F

@Challenger1
I'm agree with you.
I mention the time bc it's important to take into account the long process and the tears people cried to reach out the most peaceful and freedom times we are enjoying currently.
Past is needed to be considered to know where we are coming from.

Agree that each culture can evolve in a different way and not lineal. But, in a world so connected, in my opinion, it's only a matter of time that our culture impose others. That's why Islam is living a Civil War. Citizens who ask for freedom and individual rights and the ones who are for tradition.

twistermind · 51-55, F

@IstillmissEP No. I'm not excusing terrorists attacks. I'm trying to avoid giving their sick minds excuses by cathegorising, like you are doing with me now btw, all Muslims as terrorists.

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twistermind · 51-55, F

@IstillmissEP I know very well on which side I am so, could you express your opinions without making assumptions about me? I didn't think that I had to explain the obvious.
My post is a request to study deeply the issue before being making unfair assumptions about many people whose Religion is Islam.

Never denied that the problem is in the Islam. One can't fight against religious beliefs. More than one thousand millions of people in the World is a Muslim. The great part of countries where Islam is the majority religion belongs to undeveloped or in development via countries.
There are many things to consider.
Reality can't be simplified to cathegorised a big group of people as dangerous or potentiall terrorists.

The term jihad. I know what it is, and the different interpretations the Islam is subject. I respect the positive interpretations that are able to cohexist with different people. I don't want to forget them.

It will be a pleasure to talk with you but if you point me out again as a terrorists sympathizer, I don't have anything else to say.

P.S.: jihadist terrorists. Everyone call them like that.