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My 30-year-old jobless friend refuses to help himself and it's infuriating.

I have a lifelong friend who is 30, and he has never had a job, never moved out, never really had any responsibilities beyond house chores that have always been optional to complete (as in he still gets his allowance... yes, he's 30 and still gets an allowance... whether he completes these chores or not). He very recently got his driver's license, only partially completed it over a year ago and waited until the very last minute until it was about to expire to finish it (only did written part at first, took driving part last). He is driving his family member's cars which are past their prime, one of which is on its last legs, and has no desire to get one of his own. I've spent YEARS talking to him about his future, telling him to quit procrastinating and kicking the can down the road... it just goes through one ear and out the other. Unfortunately, his well-meaning family just continues to enable him.

For the past several years, he's said he was going to get a job. Obviously, no effort has been made to do so. Once, a family member let him know about an opening at their workplace and he did absolutely nothing, then when the position was filled by someone else, told me it was "bullshit that that person took his job from him." He never even applied... I straight up told him, it's first come, first serve, no one is going to wait for you, and you are not entitled to any job. If you don't seize the opportunity, someone else will, and that's exactly what happened there.

Recently, I had yet another talk with him about getting a job, how he doesn't have the luxury of more time to waste, and how he needs to get on it ASAP because he's already going to have a hard time finding something with zero prior job history at 30, and it will only get worse the longer he waits. If I tell him he's going to get even further behind, he says "Well, I'm already behind." If I tell him it would be nice if his elderly family could retire, he tells me they won't be able to anyway because he has other family members mooching off of them (as if that somehow makes it okay for him to do it, even though he admits it's wrong). He tells me he has anxiety and isn't ready yet. Always an excuse, and absolutely zero concern for his own future. I tell him he's going to have no retirement, and he says "I won't live that long, anyway." I tell him he could end up homeless, and he says "I guess I'll just die then." I tell him he's probably going to have to take a warehouse job even though he's severely out of shape and gets so out of breath he has to sit down after five minutes of exercise, and he says "at least the pay will be good." Not for long if they fire you because you can't handle it, or are habitually late (since that's another thing; he has no concept of punctuality or sense of urgency or responsibility - I've told him time and time again that when you say you'll be somewhere by a certain time, that doesn't mean you leave the house at that time, it means you arrive in time to meet with whoever at that time, and that a boss will not tolerate habitual lateness... he says "well, unless traffic is bad" - no, they won't excuse that).

I deeply care about this person and he's been there for me through a lot and can be very sweet and supportive, but I feel like I'm watching him throw his life in the trash. I have a house and career, and know that when something inevitably happens to where his family can no longer support him, he's going to want to try to move in with me, though I've told him it will not be happening multiple times. I've told him no one is going to feel sorry for him, and he says "and that's messed up." He doesn't understand why no one would take pity on someone who has refused to help themselves and take the steps needed to support themselves. I know I can't help someone who doesn't want to help themselves, but this is so hard to watch. He takes nothing seriously and acts as if everything will always be fine, and that he won't need to worry about it until something happens. I've told him he can't just apply for a job the day the shit hits the fan and be good. I know he doesn't take it seriously. He's told me he doesn't know what he will do when it happens... even with a health scare with the family member who supports him, it didn't wake him up. Not sure what to do at this point.
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Nightwings · 31-35, F
I truly believe that there is no such thing as pure laziness, people always have a reason for their lifestyle and choices. He says that he has anxiety, so if I was to guess then I'd say his biggest obstacle is interacting with other people. You also mentioned that he's severely out of shape, and I'm thinking if that means he is very overweight, that makes the social problem even more difficult for him. When he respond's to you that he will just have to die eventually, instead of trying to build a life, I think that is his way of saying that he can't do what society asks of him, not even if the alternative is homelessness one day. It is entirely possible that he's as frightened for himself as you are for him, but he blames himself and therefore show apathy instead of fear and sadness, since he doesn't think he deserves to feel sad over problems that, in his mind, he has caused himself. To me it sounds like his self-esteem is incredibly low, and he can't imagine it ever getting any better, he has given up.

I think the best approach is to start focusing on things which may not seem related to getting a job, to start with.



1) Weightloss.

If he is overweight, he might be stuck in a cycle because his current habits easily make him postpone losing weight, but he doesn't feel like he can change his habits before losing weight in the first place. I will say something very important: Loosing weight requires full focus! Obese people cannot lose weight while trying to do other things at the same time, like going to school, work, or even building a personal business! It is a completely different thing to lose 5kg or lose 20kg. If he is to lose weight, he needs to be focusing on it full time, in order to succeed, and I think this is a good place to start, because once he's done, he will automatically be ready for other things. He has to look at this journey systematically, for it to be possible for him. This needs to be his full-time project until he's done, he cannot even get too lost in video games while losing weight.

2) Psychological help.

I know some people would make this the first step, but if he is overweight, it's not a good idea. A psychiatrist will judge a fat person differently that a person who isn't fat. It can't be helped, all people experience people differently depending on their weight, and that is incredibly annoying to fat people. If he is thin when he meets a psychiatrist for the first time, he will have a much better experience, and the psychiatrist is a million times more likely to help him with his real problems. Last important thing is to see a real psychiatrist, not a psychologist or therapist, wince they won't be able to diagnose and prescribe medication should he need that. He doesn't need talking, he needs evaluation and help to overcome his anxiety.

3) Everything else.

Once he is thin and have been evaluated by a psychiatrist, it is likely that he is going to go get a job all by himself. He will feel like a new person, and actually have a will to live. Right now he sees no way out of his current lifestyle, but after the first two steps, his outlook on life will almost certainly completely change all by itself. In this time, the most critical thing is that he doesn't fall back into old habits. It can happen suddenly and easily, so when this time comes, help him stay on the right track, until he finds a new circle of friends, a place in the world to belong so to speak.



Well, you can always try to show him this and see what he says. I don't even know if he's actually overweight, or just in bad shape, but either way it only takes like 3 weeks of intense exercise (intense compared to how intense it actually is for the person in question), before it gets a million times easier to run around, walk up stairs, even if the person is still fat, so there is that. A fat person will have no trouble doing tasks that they do daily, after some time.

I don't think you will ever get anywhere with scaring him by talking about his future, because he is already terrified, he just can't do what you want from him. It is much better to tackle the real problems, one by one, to actually help him.
BnBSpringer09 · 26-30, F
@Nightwings He's not overweight, but has a terrible diet of overly processed foods and is extremely sedentary. His metabolism must be extremely fast, because he never eats ANY fruits or vegetables, just stuff like burgers, pizza, fried chicken, French fries, chips, cookies, candy, and tons and tons of soda, and he spends the vast majority of the day sitting or lying down. When we do anything that involves exercise like a group sport or a chore like mowing the lawn, he is out of breath in 5 minutes.