I am Vegan

@DunDunDun Animal abuse can of course never be justified... However, eating animals CAN be justified.

@Quizzical Forcing a cow that isn't even fully physically mature yet to repeatedly give birth just so you can take her baby away from her (which often causes the mothers to yell for their calves until they loose their voice), is animal abuse retard.

@DunDunDun I don't recall saying I supported those sorts of actions...

In fact, I believe it's this thread where I have stated that I don't agree with the levels of, and methods involved in the mass production of life-stock for slaughter. I'd much prefer a return to simpler farming methods.

However... I still believe it is total natural for omnivorous animals to eat other animals.

So, please, don't call ME a retard because YOU made an incorrect assumption on my views and opinions.

@Quizzical The classic, "I don't think that the farmers do is okay but I still buy their products. Don't blame me, I'm not the one doing it. I just pay for it to happen" And if you really give a damn about doing what's natural, why don't you stop taking meds, vaccs, ect., stop living in a house with an AC and typing about how much you care about nature on your computer. Until then you can stfu about what is and isn't natural cause it doesn't even matter. Humans don't need animal products to live and can be perfectly healthy without it. Find a real excuse to justify torturing innocent animals- oh wait, you can't.

@DunDunDun There you are again with those incorrect assumptions 🙄

Here's a friendly tip for life.

Take the time to listen to other people rather than just the echoes of your own thoughts and their attendant assumptions.

And maybe wind in the vitriol a bit... It doesn't help in the slightest when trying to get a point across. Confrontation breeds conflict and detracts from any point you wish to make.

@Quizzical Nothing I said was incorrect at all. I know how retards like you are dude lol, you all are the same. You attempt to justify your actions with something that isn't a justification and then when someone says why what you said was stupid, you wanna pull out the, "YOU DON'T KNOW ME OR ANYTHING ABOUT ME, YOU DON'T KNOW MY LIFEEEEEEEEE" card. It's literally always the same, don't think you're saying anything new. I end up responding to retards like you often and it always goes the same.

@DunDunDun I don't actually have to justify anything to you at all, nor do I intend to. What I said was perfectly correct, and your assumptions were just plain wrong.

It's a fact that omnivores eat other animals, it happens all throughout nature. It's also a fact that humans are omnivorous animals, and have been for many thousands of years.

These may not be facts that you like or feel comfortable with, but, as the saying goes, facts don't care about your feelings, they just ARE.

Without the high protein from eating meat we would not have evolved in the way we did, nor as quickly. There are definite benefits to humans consuming other animals. These are also just facts.

And why do you insist on name-calling merely because I have an outlook that doesn't tie into your world-view? It's incredibly immature.

@Quizzical If a person doesn't eat meat, will they die? 🙃

@DunDunDun No. Though they may need to supplement their diet with another form of high protein food to build and maintain muscle mass.

I'm not honestly sure if there are very many plant based foods that have an equivalent (or superior) protein per gram amount when compared to something like steak.

The thing is, the beauty of being an omnivore is adaptability, but it works best when you have everything in moderation. It's what we have evolved to do.

@Quizzical If we don't need animal products to live or be healthy then there's no excuse to cause suffering to animals. End of.