redredred · M
There’s nothing good for you in wine you can’t get out of fresh grapes. Alcohol is nobody’s friend
Lillybee17 · F
@redredred I can understand why some may feel this way . Alcohol can be a slippery slope.
Lillybee17 · F
robbie2499 · 61-69, F
robbie2499 · 61-69, F
@sree251 You are absolutely right.
Cabernetfranc · 80-89, M
SnickersDOM gives you some good information about the risks of wine drinking. I want to assure you that the rewards can be significant as well. The high point of my life has been growing and consuming wine and visiting wine growing areas. I have met some wonderful people in the World of Wine. My wine consumption has been nearer a bottle of wine than a glass per day for over 60 years. I am 86 years old and have never been admitted to a hospital.
Lillybee17 · F
@Cabernetfranc well that sounds like a very happy and fulfilled life, well-lived! ♥
@Cabernetfranc which grape varieties do you grow, and in which general region do you / have you grown them? Also, regardless of whether you grow them, what are your favorite grape varieties to drink?
Is it safe to say you are a Saumur-Champigny, Chinon and/or Bourgueil lover? (I love Loire wine — romorantin is one of the more obscure and rare vinifera varieties I've ever tasted — but then I love pretty much every Old World wine region.)
Is it safe to say you are a Saumur-Champigny, Chinon and/or Bourgueil lover? (I love Loire wine — romorantin is one of the more obscure and rare vinifera varieties I've ever tasted — but then I love pretty much every Old World wine region.)
Cabernetfranc · 80-89, M
@SnickersDOM Thank you for asking. In southern Maryland we grew the usual French Hybrids for home wine makers.
In Parras de la Fuente, Mexico we grew the common wine types. (Cabernet Sauvignon, Merlot, Petite Syrah, Zinfandel, Sangiovese). The climate in Parras was too hot for Sauvignon Blanc so we bled Sangiovese (Brunello clone) for white wine.
By far my favorite wine grape is Cabernet Sauvignon. I have never learned to like Pinot Noir.
My knowledge of Loire Valley wines is close to zero. You obviously know far more about European wines than I do. So as not to bore others, we should probably go private for any further discussions.
In Parras de la Fuente, Mexico we grew the common wine types. (Cabernet Sauvignon, Merlot, Petite Syrah, Zinfandel, Sangiovese). The climate in Parras was too hot for Sauvignon Blanc so we bled Sangiovese (Brunello clone) for white wine.
By far my favorite wine grape is Cabernet Sauvignon. I have never learned to like Pinot Noir.
My knowledge of Loire Valley wines is close to zero. You obviously know far more about European wines than I do. So as not to bore others, we should probably go private for any further discussions.
View 1 more replies »
at the end of the day
- ethanol is a carcinogen
- any beneficial compounds in red wine like anthocyanins and resveratrol (essentially the pigments with antioxidant properties) come from the grapes, not the ethanol, ergo, you do NOT need to ferment the grapes into wine to get them
the heyday of unscrupulous marketing (which peaked in the 1990s) of wine as a health beverage has passed
the only reason to drink wine is because you enjoy the flavors and aromas, and with the conscious acknowledgement that it may one day come back to haunt you, but you accept the risk
it's why the wine industry is facing a crisis right now, with decling demand as its core demographic of Boomers is dying off and younger generations are more health-conscious; simultaneously, the quality of dealcoholized wine is increasing to meet this new reality, and is ultimately wine's future (in so far as humanity itself has a future)
- ethanol is a carcinogen
- any beneficial compounds in red wine like anthocyanins and resveratrol (essentially the pigments with antioxidant properties) come from the grapes, not the ethanol, ergo, you do NOT need to ferment the grapes into wine to get them
the heyday of unscrupulous marketing (which peaked in the 1990s) of wine as a health beverage has passed
the only reason to drink wine is because you enjoy the flavors and aromas, and with the conscious acknowledgement that it may one day come back to haunt you, but you accept the risk
it's why the wine industry is facing a crisis right now, with decling demand as its core demographic of Boomers is dying off and younger generations are more health-conscious; simultaneously, the quality of dealcoholized wine is increasing to meet this new reality, and is ultimately wine's future (in so far as humanity itself has a future)
Lillybee17 · F
@SnickersDOM these are the facts that scare me.
@Lillybee17 if you're only after the health benefit, you'd be better off just eating grapes (without going overboard, since they're loaded with sugar too); eating raw grapes also is better than taking supplements derived from grapes
if you could stomach the gross flavor, muscadines have even more resveratrol than grapes (grapes are a plant genus descended from muscadines, rather than muscadines being a type of grape)
if you drink wine for the flavor and aroma, then of course do it in moderation, and seek out and try quality dealcoholized wines too
will you be the one who develops, for example, esophageal cancer from wine drinking? who knows, history is filled with lifelong smokers who lived to be in their 90s, but that didn't make it any more wise for any random person to take up smoking, as most smokers did develop illnesses
if you could stomach the gross flavor, muscadines have even more resveratrol than grapes (grapes are a plant genus descended from muscadines, rather than muscadines being a type of grape)
if you drink wine for the flavor and aroma, then of course do it in moderation, and seek out and try quality dealcoholized wines too
will you be the one who develops, for example, esophageal cancer from wine drinking? who knows, history is filled with lifelong smokers who lived to be in their 90s, but that didn't make it any more wise for any random person to take up smoking, as most smokers did develop illnesses
Lillybee17 · F
@SnickersDOM nah, definitely not just for the health benefit. I enjoy unwinding with a nice glass of wine at days end with dinner.
This comment is hidden.
Show Comment
Lillybee17 · F
@jshm2 I completely agree. I think it all boils down to quality and moderation.
cherokeepatti · 70-79, F
I can’t drink red wine. One glass a day for 3 days will cause crystals to form on my knees. They feel like small gravel. And if I go to pick up something and squat down to do it, when I stand up it’s like fire in my knees. I don’t know what’s going on with that but aspirin does the same thing. Takes about 5-6 months for the deposits to dissolve and then the pain goes away.
cherokeepatti · 70-79, F
@Lillybee17 I have told them but they never say anything about it. I believe it is the salicylates that are in wine (especially red wine) and in aspirin too. I can’t take anything with aspirin in it including Pepto Bismol or Alka Seltzer. I was given aspirin for bad headaches as a child and would vomit after taking one and also Pepto Bismol would make me vomit.
Lillybee17 · F
@cherokeepatti don’t you just love how doctors completely gloss over certain health concerns? I am glad you’ve identified it and are staying away.
cherokeepatti · 70-79, F
@Lillybee17 I didn’t need a doctor to tell me not to drink wine etc. I told them what I couldn’t tolerate and they wrote it down. I believe it is something genetic. Both my grandmothers had problems with fruits & veggies that were red and they couldn’t eat them. I don’t know what their symptoms were but one grandmother would plant yellow watermelons and yellow tomatoes and eat those. The other one would get cantaloupe for herself for when everyone else was having watermelon.