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What do you call these? We call them reins. Are they useful?

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To put that on a child that you love can be. very demeaning in public. Just because a parent has the legal authority to control the child doesn't mean the social humiliation is legitimate. I had some experiences similar to this as a child and it helped destroy the child/parent relationship.

Shayla · F

Not all kids find it humiliating. I had a niece who liked wearing her elmo harness.

Pfuzylogic · M

I don't find it useful at any level.
It really doesn't matter what the child thinks. It is still a device that shows the parent has no control and gives the child no choice.

MrsPeterEvans · 31-35, F

@Shayla: I wonder to what age they are useful. I remember being in a busy carnival with one on and I think I was 6 or so

Shayla · F

@MrsPeterEvans: It probably depends on the kid. My cousin used one for quite a few years, but he has special needs and can't understand why we don't run in front of traffic. The niece I mentioned only used hers until she was around 3.

MrsPeterEvans · 31-35, F

@Shayla: better reins than smacking them for running off

Pfuzylogic · M

Maybe carry this discussion on a different thread. I personally don't buy into any expression of the BDSM culture especially on helpless children.:

Shayla · F

This is far from bdsm.

Pfuzylogic · M

It has the mentality.

Shayla · F

@MrsPeterEvans: Or from being in tears in a mall cause one kid disappeared while mom was helping the sibling. I've seen that happen too many times.

Pfuzylogic · M

@Shayla: it doesn't justify a parent doing something ridiculous like this.

Shayla · F

How so? A key element in bdsm is that it's consentual. If the person can't consent (such as a minor), it's not bdsm.

MrsPeterEvans · 31-35, F

@Pfuzylogic: well clearly many parents do including my own

Pfuzylogic · M

As I said before if a parent can't get in their mind that this is abuse then they will eventually lose the respect of a child when they grow up.

Pfuzylogic · M

@MrsPeterEvans: I far from agree that this is a common device.

Shayla · F

@Pfuzylogic: Funny. My grown niece got a matching tattoo honoring her mom. That harness MUST have ruined their relationship.

Pfuzylogic · M

If you want to accept this as normal then you open the door to the idea that your lifestyle as a Submissive is normal too

Shayla · F

I openly admit my lifestyle isn't for everyone. I don't judge others for their choices regarding it.

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MrsPeterEvans · 31-35, F

@Shayla: this is not the place to argue about lifestyles please

Pfuzylogic · M

This post is a very subtle shot on mixing lifestyles and child upbringing.
I think you need to be honest about your own post.:

Shayla · F

@Pfuzylogic: As does a person's country of origin, socioeconomic status, sexual orientation, level of education...

Pfuzylogic · M

You obviously can't tolerate a complete argument.
It is obvious that there are aspects of this post that you can't defend.

Shayla · F

You are more than welcome to believe what you like. If your main argument is involving something you choose not to be educated about, I simply choose to point out the faults in said argument.
The fact is that you and I will never agree on this topic.

Pfuzylogic · M

@Shayla: I went beyond disagreement and call this a lack of respect for the child and touching on actions of child abuse.