The Way God Intended.

@LeopoldBloom Valid to you, perhaps. Tell that to creatures of the forest that they can follow their heart and just mess around. They won't. They know what God has intended.

@sree251 Homosexual behavior has been observed in thousands of species. It's as natural as heterosexuality.

It's clear that you're as ignorant of biology as you are of linguistics.

@LeopoldBloom I researched that claim about seahorses and bonobos. You guys will dig up anything that point in the direction that justify the abnormal. A male lion will tear you to pieces if you look at him the wrong way. Don't even think about it in the wild.

@sree251 It's not just seahorses and bonobos. Homosexual behavior has been observed in over 1,500 species.

A male lion will only tear you to pieces if you threaten him. In reality, the hunting is done by the females.

@LeopoldBloom The observer of homosexual behavior is like a prospector of gold who is obsessed by his own conviction that there is gold out there.

@LeopoldBloom Don't waste your time on him. He is literally a Nazi

@sree251 Men like you who hate and fear gay men, often turn out to be closeted gays themselves. Or, they are afraid that other men are sexually objectifying them the way they sexually objectify women.

I'm not surprised that you ignore biology the same way you ignore linguistics.

@Gloomy I wasn't aware of that as it never came up. But I'm not surprised.

@LeopoldBloom Why are you hijacking this discussion? Mine is an ideal family set up for me. If you have a better set up, then let's discuss it.

@sree251 I'm not hijacking anything. This is a public forum and I'm entitled to comment. If you don't want outsiders involved, take it to DM.

There is no "better system." What's best is whatever works for each individual. If you want "an ideal family set up for you," that's great, but you're going to have to set it up yourself. But your preferences may not apply to others. Here in the U.S., same-sex marriage has been legal since 2015, and gay couples have been raising kids and contributing to society in other ways. Nobody is going to force you to marry another man if you don't want to.

@LeopoldBloom Ok, why don't you tell me about your family that is working out for you. Don't talk about same-sex marriage if you don't have one. Mind your own business. If you had grown up in a same sex-marriage, share your experience and convince the forum that yours is the best way to grow up.

This may be a public forum but it is for discussion of what each of us bring to the table. It not for gate crashers to come in and jam up the works. Seem to me that you have a social activist streak out to wreck the public space.

@sree251 I'm married to a woman, but that doesn't mean I can't speak out against the oppression and violence inflicted on LGBTQ and same-sex couples. I'm also white, but that doesn't mean I can't support racial equality. Same for me being male and a feminist.

Again, if you don't want "gate crashers," limit your discussions to DMs where the only people involved will be you and the person you're talking to. Although, I don't see you having a discussion with anyone besides me. The other poster is clearly not interested in talking to you.

Children of same-sex couples tend to be better adjusted on average than children of hetero couples.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/mar/06/children-of-same-sex-couples-fare-at-least-as-well-as-in-other-families-study

@LeopoldBloom You are wrong about proper conduct in the public space. You seem to be suffering from a busy body sickness. If you are a heterosexual in a monogamous marriage, then talk about your own experience. Is there something wrong in your relationship and it is wrecking your kids lives? Bring your argument to the table basing it on your own experience. Talking about other people's lives is gossip unfit for a man.

@sree251 I'm not going to take advice from a guy like you on proper conduct in the public space.

Are you gay? If not, why are you expressing an opinion on them? You're a hypocrite. And I'll write whatever I want here. If you don't like it, block me like the coward you are.

@LeopoldBloom You can write whatever you want. Be my guest as you are even though you don't seem to know your place in civilized society. You social activist types are all the same. It's all about you and your damn right to say what you want and where you want.

I have not been opining on anything but my subject matter. I have what you types will never understand: breeding.

@sree251 You're confusing me with conservatives, who think free speech means they can say anything they want, and no one is allowed to disagree with them. That describes you to a T.

As for "breeding," humanity isn't in any danger of going extinct, so basing value on how many kids you pop out is ludicrous. Given the impact people have on the environment (which is ultimately what sustains us), people like the Duggars ("19 Kids and Counting") and others who have obscene litters of children are acting immorally. As populations urbanize, people naturally shift from large families to putting more resources into fewer children. It's also not necessary for everyone to have children; same-sex couples contribute in other ways (like adopting the mixed-race, older, and disabled kids you religious types don't want). All of us can't live on farms unless you want to reduce the population drastically. So like everything else you've written, your plan's goals are contradictory.

@LeopoldBloom Are you a woman? The kind who can't mind her own business and tend to her home and family but yak and gossip all day long at the beauty parlor? Talk about your own life if you have one. Show me how you run your own show. Give me a clue. Say something about family. How are the children, if you have any? What about the wife? Is he called Mrs Bloom or does she keeps her own name and want nothing to do with yours? Give us a clue.

@sree251 Are you still molesting your children, or did they run away and force you to take out your aggression on the family dog? Or you live in one of those rural areas where you have to satisfy your needs with sheep and goats?

Unless, of course, you're in prison and your only opportunities are with other prisoners. If that's the case, I feel sorry for them.

@LeopoldBloom Where did you get these ideas? I wonder if there is really a big bad world out there or you have stuffed your head with scenes from Netflix movies.

I don't think you have any life worth talking about. My life is empty. I like the emptiness though. I have no family; not even a dog. I am riding out the storm of life alone. There is no way possible to raise a family the way God intends in a world like ours. I was lucky to be born in a family God intended. It was like the ark that weathered the deluge for 40 days and 40 nights.

@sree251 I get my ideas the same place you get yours - I'm trying to come up with imaginative ways to insult you.

The family "God intended" is a matter of opinion, but if you've decided that you can't meet your preferred definition, I guess that's good as I'd be concerned about how you would treat a wife and children.

The Noah's Ark story is fictional. The proof is that the story doesn't mention Noah bringing plants onto the ark, just animals. It also says that everything not on the ark died. That means every plant, from lichen to sequoias, died. So why are there plants today? Clearly, whoever wrote the story forgot to mention plants. So any explanation (and I've heard a few) can't be based on the text as it's silent on this question.

There is also the question, if every plant died, where did the dove get the olive branch? Muslims say it got the branch from a tree in Paradise, not that that would have helped Noah much.

@LeopoldBloom I was raised as a Catholic but drifted away from the teaching of the Church because I had the same issues that you have with the scriptures of Judaism used to compile the Bible. I won't join you in disparaging Jewish scripture because Noah's Ark has significance to practitioners of the faith. I was using the Ark as a discussion aid.

The family God intended was the actual family I grew up in. It's not opinion. I was lucky that my family was an emotionally stable one; also, we had no financial issues. I was not only protected and nurtured by my parents, I had wonderful grandparents too. It was like going through the storm of life in a double-hulled Ark. It was indestructible. These days, American families are financed by debts and living hand to mouth. I am talking about couples, each pulling in more than a hundred grand a year. There is no security even if the marriage doesn't founder. Chances are they do, based on divorce statistics. 40% don't make it. Children suffer when that happens. Children suffer even if couples don't split up but unhappy in their marriage and working out issues.

The family God intended need not be consecrated in a church. When it is, then it has the support of the family and community. Its complement in nature is the elephant herd that provides security.

@sree251 What we recognize as the nuclear family isn't that old. It wasn't long ago that children were raised by their extended families and neighbors. The nuclear family is a sign of isolation. What is destroying it is, as you point out, economic conditions that make it nearly impossible to raise children on just one income. Of course this leads to stress, resulting in divorce, and today, more and more young people not having sex or pursuing romantic relationships, much less having children. If it weren't for immigration, the U.S. population would be falling.

Saying that you grew up in the family "God intended" would be hilarious to anyone living during the period when the Bible was written. Having lived for several years in a traditional agrarian society, I noticed things like men spending more time with other men, and women spending more time with other women. No one was expected to consider their spouse to be their best friend. I noticed the same thing when I moved to Glendale and observed the Armenian immigrant community. The American ideal of a nuclear family with 2.3 children is an anomaly.

All of this evolves organically. Conservative complaints about the "destruction" of the family can't be reversed through government edict. What's needed is a more cooperative society at large, where things like medical care and education are socialized so people don't have to endure financial strain to access them.

@LeopoldBloom The nuclear family is the ideal social unit, the primary building block of a stable society. I don't know why you would want to put asunder what God puts together. Back in the old days when this nation was founded, the nuclear family faced brutal challenges. Homesteads were situated miles apart throughout the untamed land. They would gather weekly on Sundays at their churches for worship and bonding. Even today, Christian families have need to close ranks against threats no less savage than those they faced two hundred years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdBPKuYNAXU

@sree251 God has nothing to do with the nuclear family or anything else. It's more a product of capitalism.

Human beings respond organically to their environment. The ongoing breakdown of the nuclear family is a response to conditions that make such a structure impossible for many people.

Advocacy of the nuclear family is a smokescreen for homophobia and scapegoating of single mothers.

@LeopoldBloom Breakdown of the nuclear family? Definitely not the case with new immigrants and minorites. Even the blacks are pretty family-bonded despite the crime and the drugs. Latinos are definitely family-centered. Among the whites, Christian life still hold sway except in the cities where irreligious sub-culture hold sway among the trendy.

Nuclear family is about the family. It 's focus is on family well-being and nothing to do with what's going on outside.