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chikki · 70-79, M
in certain fields you are right but children should always give of their best. To take that one step on, if in later life you have to do something you do not like then it is acceptable not to give much effort. WRONG....in my days of deputy up to 2003 (cp ended sept 1999) pupils were always required to give their best and if not in the days of cp received a few whacks on their bottom. It is conditioning. In adult life a boss will expect you to give of your best enen if you do not like the task and regardless of if he is watching. School as you say trains boys for this and a lack of effort at school got your bottom whacked...in employment it may be the sack. trouble is these days in the workplace and schools anything will do and nobody does anything about it
chikki · 70-79, M
@Codrin while i am not into adult cp i do think some of these youngsters need a good thrashing on their bottoms. Having said that neither myself or my four sons got whacked after 14 because the lessons have been learnt. Youngsters these days have poor attitudes and need these correcting while at school where the consequences are not so great as in later life. SURE, at school, and nobody can deny it, that the cane or slipper certainly on a bare bottom was very painful.I should know i had it enough as a boy and saw its effects on many boys bottom that i whacked as a deputy. The point is the lessons were learnt at a young age before the attitutues became set. When i was deputy boys had a week to do homework. they still used the excuse they forgot or did not have time. as i said in a week they could have found time but could not be bothered and as for forgetting i would help them remember. Then it was over the chair and two hard whacks with the slipper on the bottom. Over shorts if it was the first visit fot cp that year or for a second or more visits it was shorts off and it was two hard cracks with the slipper on the bare bottom.....it was a long time if at all before homework was not done
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@chikki
I am well aware that in work you do need to keep to certain standards, and in many areas, not just performance, or you may well be dismissed. (Not necessarily on the spot unless the offence is particularly serious, but usually after a formal warning procedure.) I have known it happen to a couple of people, and only a few years ago, though many of suspected a strand of "office politics" there too.
Perhaps what is more important to learn is not striving to reach someone else's artificially-set level of ability (by understanding rather than mere parroting if academic) at all costs, but responsibility, to self and others. Mere effort is no guarantee of learning even if bullied - I was not bullied but I did my best, but still could not learn French or Maths even with Dad (a scientist) trying to help me with the latter.
It helps too, to have good teachers. Two of my Maths teachers were frankly useless at helping those like me who struggled with the subject. One was in his last year before retiring so was probably bored stiff with his work - so his lessons were boring, especially since Maths was taught generally as abstractions of no clear reason or purpose other than a future GCE O-Level for equally unclear purposes. The other was a bumptious, sarcastic bloke who didn't care anyway about anyone but the really bright, keen pupils. It probably didn't occur to him that if you find it hard you won't be keen on it - and often of course, vice-versa.
One thing I do wonder: which is the more important - punishing a child for being lazy (or allegedly so), or the mode of punishment?
All four of my schools used CP only as a rare last resort. In the 1100-roll, mixed, state grammar I attended for 7 years in the 1960s, I heard of no more than perhaps four boys having the cane - the playground samizdat is usually pretty good at disseminating such information - and saw our PE Teacher uses the plimsoll only about 3 times, and then one whack on shorts. Yet the school's overall discipline and academic record was very good, so I don't believe physical punishment is the only answer.
I am well aware that in work you do need to keep to certain standards, and in many areas, not just performance, or you may well be dismissed. (Not necessarily on the spot unless the offence is particularly serious, but usually after a formal warning procedure.) I have known it happen to a couple of people, and only a few years ago, though many of suspected a strand of "office politics" there too.
Perhaps what is more important to learn is not striving to reach someone else's artificially-set level of ability (by understanding rather than mere parroting if academic) at all costs, but responsibility, to self and others. Mere effort is no guarantee of learning even if bullied - I was not bullied but I did my best, but still could not learn French or Maths even with Dad (a scientist) trying to help me with the latter.
It helps too, to have good teachers. Two of my Maths teachers were frankly useless at helping those like me who struggled with the subject. One was in his last year before retiring so was probably bored stiff with his work - so his lessons were boring, especially since Maths was taught generally as abstractions of no clear reason or purpose other than a future GCE O-Level for equally unclear purposes. The other was a bumptious, sarcastic bloke who didn't care anyway about anyone but the really bright, keen pupils. It probably didn't occur to him that if you find it hard you won't be keen on it - and often of course, vice-versa.
One thing I do wonder: which is the more important - punishing a child for being lazy (or allegedly so), or the mode of punishment?
All four of my schools used CP only as a rare last resort. In the 1100-roll, mixed, state grammar I attended for 7 years in the 1960s, I heard of no more than perhaps four boys having the cane - the playground samizdat is usually pretty good at disseminating such information - and saw our PE Teacher uses the plimsoll only about 3 times, and then one whack on shorts. Yet the school's overall discipline and academic record was very good, so I don't believe physical punishment is the only answer.