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In response to a question asked yesterday, what frightens you most about women?

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Tatsumi · 31-35, M
The insideousness of female power. With manipulation and crying and demanding, they can exert social pressure to a much higher degree than men. But. Because it's subtle, they never have to take responsibility for it.

E.g. The Spartan wife who told her husband to come back with his shield or on it bore no responsibility for the people he killed or pillaged. Her hands were completely clean of blood. She just made it a requirement of her continued love and affection.

And, for instance, some chick could say I raped her, and 1,000 dudes would be ready to kill me based on no evidence whatsoever. That's power. And it's pretty scary. In addition, society itself will be quick to pass judgement based on nothing more than a woman crying. The courts and political people will also be quick to shove a man, or a thousand, under the proverbial bus, at such behest. Even if they try to be fair, they are still exceptionally biased, in favor of women. As all of society is.

People act like women have no power. They couldn't be more wrong.
Miram · 31-35, F
@Tatsumi It must be noted that your observations apply to where you are perhaps. Not everywhere.

Where I grew up and in many other places,women are possessions. They don't even have the right to "love".
Tatsumi · 31-35, M
@Miram Everywhere except the Middle East. I haven't done enough research on it, but that possessiveness is an transmogrification** of the innate male desire to protect women.

But, even in many places where women are treated harshly, that female power is still there. It's innate to the species of human, born from a 20,000 year old instinct to protect the more biologically important gender, in order to save humanity from extinction: which humanity was near, 20,000 years ago. It might be supressed in some places, but I don't know enough about those places to make a good argument. My claim is simply that it does exist, even if it is burried.

Regardless, those women who are treated as possessions must still have the power of a whisper.

Regardless, being a prized posession might be preferable to being a disposable tool.

But yeah. The last part of that paragraph was more in reference to the current American society.
Miram · 31-35, F
@Tatsumi

Not really. I personally prefered being killed over being a slave. I am not saying women are powerless, absolutely not. But they do not always have enough power to even save themselves.
And it is not just in the middle east. It is in lot of African countries. And it's also in lot of small western communities.
It's not protectiveness. Being killed bécause your hymen isn't intact is not protectiveness. Being prevented from achieving any financial independency is not protectiveness. Being beaten up like a boxing bag doesn't protect you either. It is fear of not being in control.
Miram · 31-35, F
@Miram

If one is doing that, they are protecting their status and their own gains. Nothing more.
Tatsumi · 31-35, M
@Miram I don't believe that. I think that if most women stood up and said, "Okay, that's enough. We don't want this anymore," men would be quick to go, "Okay." I think the truth is that women must perpetuate that, as well. Because the only answers to infinite female oppression are: 1. Women are inferior, or, 2: Women accept that society and see no need to change it. Every other oppressed group always rises up against their oppressors, eventually. To say women are the only group who do not, I do not like. Not that that's what you're saying. I'm just vomitting everything relevant to the general subject, as I am wrought to do.

Like I said, though, I am ignorant of those types of societies. I definitely know virtually nothing about Africa, so I can't speak on that.

Oh, I didn't mean the goal was to protect every woman--although, that is the skewed, instinctual intent. Kill or torture one woman to garner the necessary behavior of the others in order to protect women *as a whole*, for the purpose of whatever is deemed proper for childbearing. It's not too unlike the West, really. Just much more severe. The same reason the West still condemns women for being "sluts"--it's viewed as a misuse, carelessness of their eggs [despite technological advances which give women much more control over that] though not many realize that's why.

I also forgot the right word, but I meant a transmogrification of that instinct. So, I meant protectiveness is the driving force, but it got fucked up and twisted up, in some way, likely due to belief.
Miram · 31-35, F
@Tatsumi
Yes, not enough women are trying to change things. And oppression of women is also by women.

But the shift of power comes with prior tools and more willingness from men too. The first European wave of feminism was linked to changes in education and economic necessities.