Hey, you all. If you are vaxxers, Anti Vaxxers, whatever, whosoever you are. If you are replying to this post, then you are the Resistance.

You don't know the logic behind the education you have received. You are conditioned not to question anything in the name of science. Earlier on, A Renaissance was needed to break these shackles of non questioning through science. Now the same science is being used not to question the Authority. To all of you, All of you consider yourself scientists, that is good. But you know the truth. The truth is you are not one. And all the crippled data can be manufactured, created like the data of China of only 5000ish death is created, manufactured.

So Grow up because tomorrow, one of you is going to be Kyle Reese and you will have to earn the Badge. Get out of this false illusion, open your mind. Ask questions. Even if you are right, you are wrong, that doesn't matter.

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Persephonee · 22-25, F

The dominant social force will use its power to continue to dominate. (I don't think the problem is "science" because there were plenty of very well respected scientists in the middle ages - indeed in Western Europe nearly all of them were churchmen).

The problem is materialist positivism which is more or less what has held sway in first the western world and now essentially the globe, since the thoroughly-misnamed "Enlightenment": only stuff we can detect, matters. (I know positivism is more associated with the 19th century, but it didn't come from nowhere...).

Physics requires metaphysics or it has no grounding in the lived experience of mankind, and metaphysics requires physics or you never get anything done.

We live in an age where except for quaint individuals, the humanities are generally derided. That's the problem, and this alienates people from each other.

ElwoodBlues · M

@Persephonee [quote] there were plenty of very well respected scientists in the middle ages[/quote] Actually, in general, they weren't using scientific methods. In general, weren't publishing their data or methods. Instead they were keeping them secret. They weren't forming hypotheses prior to experiment and testing hypotheses either.

Isaac Newton is an example. He behaved like an alchemist, publishing a few results and keeping methods secret. That's why Leibniz was originally credited with the invention of calculus - Newton's prior work wasn't seen until Newton had died and his notebooks were read. On the other hand, Newton DID publish his laws of motion and gravity opened them to question, and used them to explain observed motions of moons and planets. That part of his work IS science.

Persephonee · 22-25, F

@ElwoodBlues That might be true but I'd tend to suspect that if we catapulted the inventor of eyeglasses into the 21st century he'd be an optical physicist, and all the monks around Europe that built prototype mechanical clocks be engineers. or whatever. They were scientists in our terms insofar as the contemporary scientific method existed.

Goodness knows what Newton or da Vinci would do though (though they're more Early Modern/Renaissance ofc) - nobody seems to like a knowitall these days.

ElwoodBlues · M

@Persephonee I fully agree with you about the results of catapulting middle-ages inventors into this century. I have no doubt that they would rapidly accept the methods of hypothesize and test, publish and critique publications, repeat experiments or observations for confirmation, etc.

But, until around about Galileo, that isn't quite what they were doing. They were too dependent on received wisdom. Years ago I went to Florence with my wife & kids, and we saw Galileo's telescopes and also the site where he was under house arrest by the Catholic Church for the heresy of suggesting heliocentrism.

I asked several friends who are Biblical scholars (a few Jesuits and a few protestant ministers) where in the Bible geocentrism is mentioned. And they told me it really wasn't discussed in the Bible. They said the fact was that Church teachings at the time were tightly wrapped up with Aristotelian teachings about the nature of things.

And that's a problem. Aristotle taught that the heavier an object is, the faster it falls, and used feathers as an example. And it really took about 2000 years for Galileo to drop different weights from the Leaning Tower of Pisa to ascertain that objects from, say, 1 to 10 lbs, all reached the ground at the exact same time. Aristotelian theory was fundamentally wrong, but it took nearly 2000 years for it to be put to the test.

In fact the mere idea of physical world testing was counter to Aristotle. He said the best way to reach the truth was to debate. It was not easy or straightforward to break out of that mindset; and you could be accused of heresy if you tried.

Science is fundamentally a communal effort, and no scientific community existed until the enlightenment. So all praise to the pre-enlightenment individual inventors, refiners, etc; it's a shame they lacked a scientific community.