Objections to Creationism

@DocSavage To me your response reads like "Creation disagrees with evolution."

@BibleData
Fact is, that even if you could disprove evolution, it still wouldn’t prove god.

@DocSavage I absolutely agree. And for the most part if you proved God it wouldn't disprove evolution.

@BibleData
It would bring up the question , do Gods evolve?

@DocSavage Of course Gods evolve. Everything evolves.

@BibleData
Not necessarily. Evolution is influenced by conditions and environment
Gods create conditions and environments, spiritual beings wouldn’t be subject to them.

@DocSavage The problem here is semantic. Evolution means change. God means worshipped. So a God doesn't have to be spirit beings and evolution isn't limited to the scientific application. I have evolved in 50 years, not over a period of millions of years.

@BibleData
Case in point. Evolution means change. For god to evolve, he would need to change with the times. His rules and laws no longer fit in the current society. God is no longer absolute . He has to adapt, or he can be discarded, no longer worthy of worship.

@DocSavage What difference does that make? You see God as some ancient imaginary being who people still allow to control them. You think that should go away because you think you have something better. That's not very sophisticated. It's an ideological fixation. Like being emotional to the point it blinds you.

Jehovah God created everything. The universe, life, humanity. He laid out what happened and he said we could escape our own self destruction if we would listen to him. Those who want that listen, and if he is real they will have everlasting life in paradise without sickness, aging or death. Those who don't won't.

The laws God gave to the Angels, to Adam, to Noah, To Moses, to Christians have evolved. That doesn't mean much of anything except that in a temporal imperfect system you're going to have to roll with the waves. Until that system ends.

@BibleData
[quote] Jehovah God created everything. The universe, life, humanity. He laid out what happened and he said we could escape our own self destruction if we would listen to him. Those who want that listen, and if he is real they will have everlasting life in paradise without sickness, aging or death. Those who don't won't. [/quote]
A fantasy made up by primitive, superstitious men.

@DocSavage [quote]A fantasy made up by primitive, superstitious men.[/quote]

Well, that's your opinion. Nothing more. If he is real you will be one of the ones who have chosen to not participate. No big deal. It only becomes a problem when people get ideologically fixated on either side and then feel they have to battle it out as if that would change anything. It won't.

@BibleData
There have been thousands of god since history began. Why should anyone believe that Jehovah is real and the others aren’t ?

@DocSavage [quote]There have been thousands of god since history began. Why should anyone believe that Jehovah is real and the others aren’t ?[/quote]

Many are equally real, that isn't as much a relevant question as who would be willing to do what he thinks they ought to do? Faith, you see, is a good indicator of how real not the god is, but the worshiper.

If you created a universe and could easily see that if the inhabitants behaved in a specific way they would destroy themselves you would want to pick out the real people because anyone else will just spoil it.

@BibleData
You can only observe a microscopic portion of the known universe. You have no realist knowledge of how the rest of it works. You just put a human face on it for the sake of personal comfort and security .

@DocSavage [quote]You can only observe a microscopic portion of the known universe. You have no realist knowledge of how the rest of it works. You just put a human face on it for the sake of personal comfort and security .[/quote]

Not sure I follow you. First of all I would feel the opposite of comfort and security in doing that, secondly, what does how the universe works have to do with anything? I don't care how the universe works any more than I do how my car works. As long as it does.

@BibleData
Why would god even care ? One small dot in an infinite universe. He wouldn’t even be aware we existed.

@DocSavage A Bible student can't tell you whether or not there is extraterrestrial life because it doesn't say either way, but as far as I can tell there is only the angels and mankind that were created in his image. So he created the earth for man, not man for earth. He did that out of love with the intention that we enjoy life. Also there is the fact that he has stated his purpose, that man life forever on earth in peace. If that doesn't happen his word is no good.

@BibleData
Before creation, there were no other life forms, no space , no time. Nothing but god himself.
Why would god have human features ? There was nothing to see, so why eyes ?No sound , so why ears ? No place to go, so why legs and feet ? No one to talk to, no need to eat, and nothing to eat. So why a mouth ?
Humans wouldn’t even exist for billions of years. And we’re not the first creatures on earth. We’re products of evolution. Our image is adapted to live in an environment god never knew of, before creation.
If he considers us his masterpiece, why did he wait so long ? Why wait for evolution, when he can create everything with a word ?