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I Accept the Theory of Evolution

When you inhale through your nostrils, the flow of air branches into four pairs of large chambers tucked in the bones of your face… the nasal sinuses, which are cavities inside our heads. The air comes into contact with mucous membranes… wet and sticky tissue that catches dust and other particles, including bacteria and viruses, so that they don’t reach your lungs.

The mucous membranes produce a slow and steady flow of sticky mucus. This mucus is swept away by tiny, pulsating, hairlike structures called cilia. The mucus drains into several spots and is ultimately swallowed and sent to the stomach (where the acid destroys it).

Sometimes the system gets gummed up, and that can lead to a sinus infection. Bacteria can establish an infection that may spread throughout the sinuses and beyond. Mucus, normally thin and mostly clear, becomes thick, viscous, and dark green when you have an infection.

Have you ever noticed that dogs, cats, and other animals don’t seem to have head colds nearly as often as humans do? Most humans suffer between two and five head colds (also called upper respiratory infections) per year, and these are often accompanied by full-blown sinus infections. For dogs it’s different. Dogs can get sinus infections, which show up as a runny nose, but it’s rare for them. Most dogs will go their whole lives with no major episodes of infection in their nasal sinuses.
 
In fact, sinus infections are possible but rare in all non-human animals, although they are a little more common in other primates. Why is it so bad for us?

The reason is that our mucous drainage system is a mess. Specifically, the most important drainage-collection pipes are installed near the [i]top[/i] of the largest pair of cavities, the maxillary sinuses, located underneath the upper cheeks. Having the drainage-collection point high within these sinuses is a problem because of gravity. While the sinuses behind the forehead and around the eyes can drain downward, the largest and lowest two cavities must drain upward.

Because the mucous collection duct is located at the top of the chamber, gravity cannot help with drainage. This is the reason why sinus infections are so common in humans but unheard of in other animals.

This is why some people with colds and sinus infections can briefly find relief by lying down and tilting their head back. However, the relief is only temporary. Once a bacterial infection takes hold, drainage alone can no longer combat it, and the bacteria must be defeated by the immune system.

What kind of plumber would put a drainpipe anywhere but at the bottom of a basin?
Why is the drainage system at the top of the maxillary sinuses instead of below?

The evolutionary history of the human face holds the answer. As primates evolved from earlier mammals, the nasal features underwent a radical change in structure and function. In many mammals, smell is the single most important sense, and the structure of the entire snout optimises the sense of smell. This is why most mammals have elongated snouts... to accommodate huge air-filled cavities full of odour receptors. As our primate ancestors evolved, however, there was less reliance on smell and more reliance on vision, touch, and cognitive abilities. Accordingly, the snout regressed, and the nasal cavities were squashed into a more compact face.

Nowhere are there more differences between humans and nonhuman primates than in the facial bones and skull. Humans have much smaller brows, smaller dental ridges, and flatter, more compact faces. In addition, our sinus cavities are smaller and disconnected from one another, and the drainage ducts are much skinnier… a side effect of making room for our big brains.

This rearrangement produced a suboptimal result that has left us more susceptible to painful sinus infections than any other animal.
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QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
Fascinating exploration of the sorts of details most people never get into, thank you.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@QuixoticSoul All of which SCREAMS design. If you think such is the result of and accident you have bricks for brains.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@hippyjoe1955 lol! Designed by an incompetent, drunk, plumber, apparently
Pherick · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 *@newjaninev2 describes how the system works and how its horribly inefficient for what it does and hippy screams about its obviously a designer*

Ah yes, another normal day in SW land :)
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 Lmao, you dumbass.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@hippyjoe1955 Design? Sex and death within a constantly changing environment gives the unaware the illusion of design because of the resultant emergent properties.

Let’s discuss emergent (supervenient) properties, shall we? You’ve always run away from such a discussion, but perhaps this time will be different. Let’s see how your claims around ‘design’ stand up to reality.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@newjaninev2 Speaking of which just how did mammalian birth evolve? I have been a 'midwife' to a lot of births lambs, cows, goats, pigs, humans, dogs etc. More than once I have been inside the delivering mother helping her get her baby lined up just so. with head back or leg back or inverted or breech. I am all too well aware of the catastrophic results if mom can't deliver her baby as both of them die. So there is a very precise procedure to birthing. One thing wrong and death is the promise. How does evolution account for a very carefully planned procedure? Evolution is after all just random chance and accident.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@hippyjoe1955 ‘Speaking of which’ is, as we all know, your standard attempt to divert and distract. Tediously predictable.

[quote]One thing wrong and death is the promise[/quote]

As I said... death and sex within a constantly changing environment. Thank you for returning to, and emphasising, my original point

[quote]Evolution is after all just random chance and accident[/quote]

Which is a complete contradiction of your agreement with my original point. At least try to be consistent!
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@newjaninev2 So you still can't answer the question. Strange you have had months and months and months to formulate an answer and all you can do is attack me with your chemical nonsense. Too Funny!!!! Get back to me when you can give me a cogent explanation of the mammalian birth process.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@hippyjoe1955 What is it that you feel needs an explanation? Are you asking me for a free undergraduate course in biology? Don’t you have universities in Canada? (seminaries don’t qualify)
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@newjaninev2 How did mammalian birth process evolve? Sounds pretty straight forward to me.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 Over hundreds of millions of years.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@hippyjoe1955 Straightforward? What a puerile claim! Not only do you, in your desperation to divert and distract, refer to a complex process as ‘straightforward’, you offer no explanation other than ‘goddidit’.

Let’s use the hippyjoe techniques.

What is the mechanism that causes certain materials to exhibit superconductivity at temperatures much higher than around 25 kelvins?

Can you answer that? Sounds quite straightforward to me.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@newjaninev2 In case you’ve forgotten your own childish technique, this is when you say ‘no, you answer my (irrelevant and diversionary) question first’.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@newjaninev2 So you have no idea how mammalian birth evolved? Colour me surprised. I thought evolution was the answer to everything in your world. If you can't explain how the evolution occurred then your adherence to the theory is a faith statement not a statement of science.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@hippyjoe1955 You’re mistaking ‘can’t’ and ‘won’t’

I’m not going to spend the next three years giving you a free education. Not only would it be futile to even try, but if you have such questions, then it is up to you to seek the answers you crave.

In a desperate attempt to conceal your abject inability to justify your claims, you conjure up a totally irrelevant question and then expect me to give you unwaged instruction on it.

I’m not your private tutor. Satisfy your curiosity through your own efforts. Grow up!

Now that we’ve cleared that up... let's get back to emergent properties.

I realise that you’re frantically desperate to avoid discussing that topic, because you (rightly) suspect that it will reveal the hollowness of your absurd claims around some supposed magical designer who conjures up flawed systems out of nothing (having first done the same for itself). In fact, it will also show that you are making the common error of seeing underlying reality solely in terms of what would suit your personal fictions.

Nevertheless, emergent properties is the topic at hand, and this discussion is about emergent properties, so this time please try not to pee your panties and run way.

Sodium does not taste salty, and chlorine does not taste salty.

Would you agree with that?
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@newjaninev2 So you don't have a clue. Hmmmm. Nice religion you got there. Pity if you should open your eyes and discover it is a mind control cult.
Pherick · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 LoL, holy shit you are dense.

🤣
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Pherick Obviously not as dense as you. Since the nutbar from NZ can't answer maybe you can. How did the mammalian birth process evolve?
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@hippyjoe1955 You still confounding ‘can’t’ and ‘won’t’

Run rabbit run
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@newjaninev2 So you can't but call it won't. The reason you won't is because you don't have a clue how it could be. Evolution has no answers and so you pretend yours is an act of will. It is an act of willful ignorance on your part. Too Funny!!!!!
Pherick · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 Oh I cant do it as well as @newjaninev2 and it doesn't matter. No matter what I posted, you would claim its junk science or a junk source and move your goalposts ONCE again.

Why dont you try answering her original question.

Go on, dont be scared.
JohnOinger · 41-45, M
@Pherick 😂
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Pherick I asked her this question months and months ago. She just dodges. I was hoping your great intellect would elucidate me. I guess I was wrong. You don't have a great intellect at all. You are just a brainless cult member like the nutbar from NZ. Oh well. I guess my theory holds a lot more water than your nonsense. Have a nice flame out.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@hippyjoe1955 and still you run. Your fear is obvious to all.

What a time-waster!

Your creationist credo is a joke.
Pherick · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 Mmm shockingly you didnt answer her question.

I never claimed to have a great intellect, I just claimed to not be a lying piece of shit like you are.

I try to be intellectually honest, you dont know the meaning of the word honest.

Your constant evasions bore me, answer a question or just shut up finally.