I Live In Europe
well i am actually a eruopean but why is there a EU flag the pic of this group???
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Kwek00 · 41-45, M
VladG94 · 26-30, M
@Kwek00 The main goal of globalism is to destroy the western nations, promote androgyny in men and women as well as victimizing evil people, control how we live our lives as well as what we do/say, the list goes on. Divide and conquer is a major role in globalism and this has been occurring since 1946 after WW2 tbh.. Which both the UN and the EU are globalists tbh
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@erika88
That's really not true Erika. The EU before the Arabic Spring often talked about "fort Europa". The idea was to protect the borders and restrict immigration. In doing so, the EU (and even memberstates) had deals with nations just outside the EU. Mostly with states surrounding the meditereanean. In return for trade deals, they would take care of immigrants.
This has been kind of a black stain on the EUs ideals tough. You should look why Ghadaffi became popular again with EU memberstates. Ghadaffi had a fear that regime change would happen after what happened in Iraq, and became more and more friendly with the EU member states. In return for oil deals, Libya would take care of the migrants so they won't come over to the EU. Manny human rights organisations complained in the UN that the way this was done on libyan soil was inhuman and went against the consensus of human rights. But the EU member states didn't comment on it, and turned a blind eye. Because it solved their immigration problems.
These immigration streams kinda start flowing again, when al lot of these countries that buffered migrant streams fell into chaos. Ghadaffi literally warned EU memberstates that if he didn't get aid to solve the insurrection it would open the floodgates of immigration. Which kinda happened.
These immigration streams never really stopped, but EU civiliains just didn't have to face it, because they were stopped at our borders. Because of the Dublin deal, migrants had to be registered and controlled in the first EU country they arive in. This were countries like: Italy, Greece, Spain, Hungray, etc. . This was extremely in the advantage of countries that are further away from these border countries. But when those countries understood that the rest of memberstates weren't willing to help out and let migrants pile up in the countries that are our borders, they too started complaining. It's actually hungary that made a point of it because the EU memberstates didn't achieve a consensus. Because the EU can't decided for memberstates, if the memberstates don't want to cooperate. (that's how much sovereignity everyone actually still has)
Germanny took a descision during a problematic moment. And Germanny only took that descision for themselves. And the descision was made by a conservative (not even a left winger). And all the other states that were hiding behind dublin and had no need to help out other member states used this to point to Germanny. But this is a political narrative that got spinned, it doesnt resemble reality.
3 arrows actually made good explenation movie, his sources are in the description box if you don't trust him.
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0g0BDEid8M]
@VladG94
No Vlad, that's just your perception of things. And it also shows what media you digest.
Capitalism as a system runs on the idea that you have to expand to keep it going. It's always looking for expansion. It doesn't care about limits, because limits stuns it grows. It's capitalism that creates globalist tendencies. Because capital wants to invest and looks for new places. Either to send products too or to find cheap labor or to find country with laws that are less restrictive so they can make more profit. This is just a consequence of how our economy is structured.
Because of economical reasons, we also make trade deals. So governements get more and more entwined because our trade gets more and more entwined. It's not a conspiracy, it's not some cabal that is behind it all, it's just a natural progression of the mode of production that our nations adopted.
That's really not true Erika. The EU before the Arabic Spring often talked about "fort Europa". The idea was to protect the borders and restrict immigration. In doing so, the EU (and even memberstates) had deals with nations just outside the EU. Mostly with states surrounding the meditereanean. In return for trade deals, they would take care of immigrants.
This has been kind of a black stain on the EUs ideals tough. You should look why Ghadaffi became popular again with EU memberstates. Ghadaffi had a fear that regime change would happen after what happened in Iraq, and became more and more friendly with the EU member states. In return for oil deals, Libya would take care of the migrants so they won't come over to the EU. Manny human rights organisations complained in the UN that the way this was done on libyan soil was inhuman and went against the consensus of human rights. But the EU member states didn't comment on it, and turned a blind eye. Because it solved their immigration problems.
These immigration streams kinda start flowing again, when al lot of these countries that buffered migrant streams fell into chaos. Ghadaffi literally warned EU memberstates that if he didn't get aid to solve the insurrection it would open the floodgates of immigration. Which kinda happened.
These immigration streams never really stopped, but EU civiliains just didn't have to face it, because they were stopped at our borders. Because of the Dublin deal, migrants had to be registered and controlled in the first EU country they arive in. This were countries like: Italy, Greece, Spain, Hungray, etc. . This was extremely in the advantage of countries that are further away from these border countries. But when those countries understood that the rest of memberstates weren't willing to help out and let migrants pile up in the countries that are our borders, they too started complaining. It's actually hungary that made a point of it because the EU memberstates didn't achieve a consensus. Because the EU can't decided for memberstates, if the memberstates don't want to cooperate. (that's how much sovereignity everyone actually still has)
Germanny took a descision during a problematic moment. And Germanny only took that descision for themselves. And the descision was made by a conservative (not even a left winger). And all the other states that were hiding behind dublin and had no need to help out other member states used this to point to Germanny. But this is a political narrative that got spinned, it doesnt resemble reality.
3 arrows actually made good explenation movie, his sources are in the description box if you don't trust him.
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0g0BDEid8M]
@VladG94
No Vlad, that's just your perception of things. And it also shows what media you digest.
Capitalism as a system runs on the idea that you have to expand to keep it going. It's always looking for expansion. It doesn't care about limits, because limits stuns it grows. It's capitalism that creates globalist tendencies. Because capital wants to invest and looks for new places. Either to send products too or to find cheap labor or to find country with laws that are less restrictive so they can make more profit. This is just a consequence of how our economy is structured.
Because of economical reasons, we also make trade deals. So governements get more and more entwined because our trade gets more and more entwined. It's not a conspiracy, it's not some cabal that is behind it all, it's just a natural progression of the mode of production that our nations adopted.
erika88 · 26-30, F
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@erika88 Libya was largely a french thing... Germanny was pretty hard against it. The french didn't get NATO to help either. The Americans helped in the beginning, but Obama also heavily adviced against how the French handled it.
Lobbyists, by defenition only work for what they are lobbying for. Lobbying by itself isn't a bad thing tough. Our liberal-democracy is kinda structured on the idea that lobbygroups (of all sorts) can access politicians to inform them of certain issues. Lobbygroups are like a part of the midfield, and they try to get influence in matters, that's what they do.
The biggest problem is corruption, not lobbying. Sadly where you find lobbyists, corruption is also not far away. Because humans are flawed, and politics just ain't a clean business.
[quote]"fortress europe" these words are using by "nazis" now if u know hat i mean[/quote]
And no... I don't know what you mean.
Lobbyists, by defenition only work for what they are lobbying for. Lobbying by itself isn't a bad thing tough. Our liberal-democracy is kinda structured on the idea that lobbygroups (of all sorts) can access politicians to inform them of certain issues. Lobbygroups are like a part of the midfield, and they try to get influence in matters, that's what they do.
The biggest problem is corruption, not lobbying. Sadly where you find lobbyists, corruption is also not far away. Because humans are flawed, and politics just ain't a clean business.
[quote]"fortress europe" these words are using by "nazis" now if u know hat i mean[/quote]
And no... I don't know what you mean.
VladG94 · 26-30, M
@Kwek00 No, the real strawman is you and not us since you can't accept this simple truth that this is the actual goal and is spewing weak flimsy nonsensical lying tl;dr strawman arguments like a crackpot millennial leftist as well as upholding a sense of moral superiority in your ignorance based on you reacting to our opposition to globalism. Te UN and EU never created peace and progression in this world, peace was occurring because you can't fight wars against this country that are armed with nukes since it would all lead to mutual annihilation.
Quite a typical lying leftist you are, aren't you?
Quite a typical lying leftist you are, aren't you?
VladG94 · 26-30, M
@Kwek00 Nice projections, dumbfuck. You really are retarded, aren't you.. And I do know what globalism is unlike you who's just reacting to our opposition to globalism for strawman reasons as well as accusing me of "intermingling" when I've already researched deeply into this for quite some time. Not to mention you confuse capitalism with corporatism dumbfuck, failing to understand that corporatists are NOT capitalists, that nazis are NOT nationalists, that globalists are NOT peace keepers, that communists are NOT liberals, but they're are all forms of socialism stemming from Marxism. The Germans aren't to blame since Germany also suffered from the same things the rest of the western world are suffering under too.... The nazis never represented all Germans neither since they killed their own people too, and the Germans opposed communism and the existence of Frankfurt school too! And you can't lump all Germans with Merkel, you fucking retarded piece of shit! Go fuck yourself already!
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@VladG94 I also wonder what sources you looked into.
You neither seem to get the terms:
- Globalism
- Corporatism
- Marxism
- Nationalsocialism
- Nationalism
Your last sentence is just a bunch of buzzwords and political-terms with verbs mixed into it. And the occasional "retard", "dumbfuck" narrative that comes from people that can't have a conversation.
I also totally don't get how you get so triggered, that you just start talking about Nationalism since I never mentioned it to you.
You neither seem to get the terms:
- Globalism
- Corporatism
- Marxism
- Nationalsocialism
- Nationalism
Your last sentence is just a bunch of buzzwords and political-terms with verbs mixed into it. And the occasional "retard", "dumbfuck" narrative that comes from people that can't have a conversation.
I also totally don't get how you get so triggered, that you just start talking about Nationalism since I never mentioned it to you.