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People still think climate change is a hoax?

Alright, the world has existed for millions of years and humans have lived on it for millennia also. But the drastic changes happening in the natural world around us is alarming.

How do these deniers not see it?

What d'yall think? Is the whole climate change debate a bogeyman unleashed for I don't know what reasons.

Or is it something real that we all are responsible for?
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
Only in America is climate change really such a partisan issue. Only in America, is climate change denial a mainstream position. Three reasons:.

1) The Republican Party is heavily backed by the fossil-fuel industry. That industry (see the Koch brothers) also fund think tanks and propaganda machines to push the climate change denial position.

2) The US right is heavily. Into it's conspiracy theories. They see big government and academia as a hoax so this makes it plausible to them that 98% of climate scientists may be wrong or lying.

3) If the climate scientists are right (and they are) then the most obvious policy implications of this involve either major lifestyle changes or more government spending.
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Patriot96 · 56-60, C
@Burnley123 so your cure for climate change is to throw money to the grifters. Climate change has been happening for millions of years without human intervention to
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Burnley123 Definitely not only in America, many boomers here espouse more or less the same positions
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Patriot96 The Earth was once a naturally molten ball of rock and metal. Would that justify making it that way again because it has happened in the past?

The issue isn't whether climate changes over time. It is the rapidity of the change that threatens the world as we know it. Please do some reading on the topic. And not Breitbart or Newsmax or a YouTube influencer.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Elessar I can't speak for Italy, but denialism isn't a mainstream position in Britain. Some voters might think it but politicians can't. Farage's Reform Party is maybe climate denialism lite.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Burnley123 But it definitely is elsewhere. Now I've taken my country as an example but I'm pretty sure those positions exist worldwide. Go interview random people at those "farmers protests" you saw around Europe throughout the year and see how many of them will reiterate the same old denialist bs (kinda ironic when their field is perhaps the most impacted). It's definitely not an only American issue, that was my point
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Burnley123 Though I am not very Right-leaning even in UK terms, and it's not often I agree with your political views, I do here!

The USA tends to either commercialise or politicise - or both - everything to the nth degree, and seems to invent more conspiracy fantasies than everyone else put together. Even so there may well be a lot of serious, well-debated, cross-Party agreement there, but sadly lost in the "campaign-trail" and "[anti?]social-media" noise.

It's certainly lost on much of SW where many American supporters of their own, only two, Parties can't even discuss the climate and environment, nor their own nation's politics, without mere personal insults and swearing: no attempt to see the other's side, no analysis, no subtleties, compromise.

What I don't know though, is how much a site like SW reflects real American life - nor do we know what posts really are from there or are malign ones pretending to be US-made. I think I have read some that may well be from external activists.
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Whether the American conspiracy-fans are mainly Left, Right or balanced across their nation's spectrum, seemingly broadly Right of its European equivalents, I cannot say but they certainly demand everyone thinks as they do, and must not listen to real politicians of all sides, let alone anyone who understands any science and engineering. (The latter to solve the problems shown by the former.)

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A lot of the climate-change "deniers" seems to have moved from process to cause, but often ruin their own case by clearly not really understanding natural processes, never mind how human activities can affect them. Poor understanding of scientific methods, too.

It's as if they've rote-remembered, and like to parrot, random fragments from school science and geography, or popular-science TV shows and poor newspaper reporting, but have not really learnt basic science, nor twigged the contexts.

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Under it all though, I think your Paragraph 3) spot-on, but I am not certain which they fear more: greater "government" (i.e. tax-payers') spending, or changes to their profligate lives. Obviously it will be individual choice, but I think the life-style the more common motive.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Elessar Tim marginally familiar with the farmers protests in the Netherlands and the yellow vest protests in France.

They are against carbon taxes. We can debate the merits of that but that is some difference between saying climate science is a hoax

Plenty on the right think it is an issue. Some think it's exaggerated and sine think methods for combating it have gone too far. Your typical Tory/reform voter will think this. Most US republicans t seem to think it's a hoax.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Burnley123 They're against regulations in general, except when it comes to imports, where they want a super regulated market. One of the excuses for being against said regulations is that the green policies are some political plot from some sort of "NGO deep state" rooted in the EU commission, and not necessary policies, so ultimately in my book they're pretty similar to their Republican counterparts