[quote]but I've yet to hear a rational explanation of how miniscule increases in an atmospheric trace gas such as CO2, causes the earth to warm.[/quote] It's because CO2 & methane are transparent to visible light but more opaque to infrared. The solar energy comes pouring in via the visible spectrum, but the heat can't leave so easily via the infrared spectrum due to that opacity. Kids' version: https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/explainer-co2-and-other-greenhouse-gases idealized quantitative model: https://www.climate-policy-watcher.org/coriolis-force/a-simple-mathematical-model-of-the-greenhouse-effect.html
[quote] In order to actually prove human carbon emissions influence climate, all variables would have to remain constant[/quote] Nope. With multiple data points we can solve for multiple variables simultaneously. Detailed climate models account for all the variables you list and more. They are verified and calibrated based on 800,000 years of prior climate data. http://web.mit.edu/globalchange/www/climate.html
[quote] Global warming models are based on small amounts of data. The earth is 4.6 billion years old, and we are expected to believe they can draw conclusions based on a hockey stick graph with 50 years of data?[/quote] Nope, not 50 years, 800,000 years, covering about 7 ice ages. The climate data comes from bubbles in glacial ice, and is corroborated by data from lake & sea floor sediments. https://icecores.org/about-ice-cores CO2 & methane & temp data Here's [i]where[/i] the various data sets were collected: The most salient thing about the 800,000 years of climate data is the rate of change during those previous 7 ice ages compared to the current rate of change this century.
[quote] Where does the money for climate research come from?[/quote] Fair question. Equally fair: where does the money for climate denial come from? The US oil industry makes about $110 [i]billion[/i] per year; coal another $20 billion. Big Oil spends $3.6 billion per year on advertising; a sum equal to about 8X the whole NSF climate budget. You're not naive enough to believe [i]none[/i] of that money goes to propaganda, are you?
@ElwoodBlues As if a link proves a thing. Too funny! You don't remember Al Gore saying that the arctic would be ice free within a few years? I certainly do. Sadly he based his predictions on the worst case scenario put out by a climate scientist who was widely criticized by other climate scientists. Sadly you think that climate science is somehow settled and proven. It is not proven and it is not at all settled. Funnily enough the real climate scientists don't accept the theory of AGW.
@ElwoodBlues No I listen to people like Judith Curry and Tim Ball and Patrick Moore. They don't rely on computer models. You know those things that predicted we would all die from covid a couple of years ago. Yeah those computer models. Believe it or not the computer models for both scams are the handiwork of one man. Strange eh wot?
@hippyjoe1955 Nope, they are propagandists for Big Oil, [b]LOL!!![/b]
Look, dude, you dismiss all my sources out of hand as propaganda; the LEAST I can do is dismiss yours the same way, [b]ROTFL!!![/b]
[quote] So how much do they pay you[/quote] ZERO. So, you want to follow the money? Let's follow the money!! Where exactly does the money for climate denial come from? The US oil industry makes about $110 billion per year; coal another $20 billion. Big Oil spends $3.6 billion per year on advertising; a sum equal to about 8X the whole NSF climate budget.
Lemme repeat that - the Big Oil advertising & "communications" budget is 8X the whole NSF climate budget!!!
You're not naive enough to believe [i]none[/i] of that big oil "communications" money goes to propaganda, are you? Who knows, maybe you are!! You seem to have blind faith in the opinions of those who agree with your preconceptions.
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BTW, Dr. Judith Curry is not saying the climatologists are wrong. She's not saying the mean prediction is way off. She's only saying the standard deviation is larger than is being discussed:
[quote]"The plausible worst-case scenario could be worse than anything we're looking at right now," Curry says. The rise in temperature from a doubling of CO2 "could be one degree. It could be 10 degrees. Let's just put it out there and develop policy options for all the scenarios and do a cost-benefit analysis for all of them, and then you start to get the things that make sense."[/quote] If Dr. Judith Curry is your excuse for ignoring the 97% consensus among climate scientists, then you aren't really listening to her.
@ElwoodBlues Don't look now son but big oil is on the side of the AGW crowd. They are making money hand over fist with their windmills. You need to realize that energy companies are energy companies not just oil producers. I had the misfortune of sitting through a company orientation at one of the oil sands companies. They hardly talked about the oil mines. They talked about their windmills and solar panels. That is were the real money is. Government subsidy all the day long whether the wind blows or not.
@hippyjoe1955 Nope. Not in the US. Big oil is making record profits on high gasoline prices in the US. Big oil is trying to get into the offshore wind business, but it's not happening in the US. None of the big proposed US offshore wind farms have a Big Oil component.
You need to realize that energy companies have vast sunk costs for oil wells, offshore platforms, leases, etc. You need to realize that energy companies need to make those prior investments pay off.
Oil companies don't know SH!T about solar panels, and they don't know SH!T about utility scale batteries. You come from a big oil producing area; Edmonton's economy runs on oil. Of COURSE you feel threatened by the passing of oil. Of COURSE you're biased as heck about criticism of the foundation of Edmonton's economy. Of COURSE you're a shill for Big Oil. Indirectly, most of what you earn came from Big Oil, [b]LOL!!![/b] And if your kids are local, they're even more dependent on Big Oil than you, [b]ROTFL!!![/b]
@ElwoodBlues It is an american company that I am talking about. Windmills and solar panels are owned in large part by 'big oil'. Nice of you to be so oblivious. BTW windmills and solar panels generate more CO2 and other pollutions than the energy sources they are meant to replace but that is a tale for another day.
@hippyjoe1955 [quote]It is an american company that I am talking about.[/quote] Why are you so afraid to name it??
[quote]BTW windmills and solar panels generate more CO2 and other pollutions than the energy sources they are meant to replace[/quote] Bulllshit propaganda from a hopeless shill for Big Oil.
You come from a big oil producing area; Edmonton's economy runs on oil. Of COURSE you feel threatened by the passing of oil. Of COURSE you're biased as heck about criticism of the foundation of Edmonton's economy. Of COURSE you're a shill for Big Oil. Indirectly, most of what you earn came from Big Oil, LOL!!! And if your kids are local, they're even more dependent on Big Oil than you, ROTFL!!!
@ElwoodBlues So you are not aware that the Canadian oil industry is owned by American companies? Well that and Chinese now. It started in 1949 when the Canadian oil companies refused to invest in Western Canada. The American companies were all too happy to do so.
It doesn't change the fact that you come from a big oil producing area. Edmonton's economy runs on oil. Of COURSE you feel threatened by the fading of oil. Of COURSE you're biased as heck about criticism of the foundation of Edmonton's economy. Of COURSE you're a shill for Big Oil. Indirectly, most of what you've earned came from Big Oil, LOL!!! And if your kids are local, they're even more dependent on Big Oil than you, ROTFL!!!
@ElwoodBlues I am not threatened at all. Where I grew up is covered in windmills and more being added as we speak. I am not threatened by them either. I just laugh my face off at idiots like you who use the internet to spew your anti energy ideals.
@hippyjoe1955 If people stopped buying oil tomorrow, Edmonton's economy would collapse the day after. Of COURSE you feel threatened by the fading of oil. Of COURSE you're biased as heck about criticism of the foundation of Edmonton's economy.
[quote]Where I grew up is covered in windmills and more being added [/quote] Interesting. Does Big Oil own those windmills? Of course not!!
Pray tell, who DOES own them? Who financed them?? That's why Bid Oil is threatened.
@hippyjoe1955 Ducking every question, aren't you? [quote]Where I grew up is covered in windmills and more being added [/quote] Interesting. Does Big Oil own those windmills? Of course not!!
Pray tell, who DOES own them? Who financed them?? That's why Big Oil is threatened.
[quote]It is an american company that I am talking about.[/quote] Why are you so afraid to name it??
@ElwoodBlues As a matter of fact yes they do. Any other silly questions? Oil companies are not oil companies they are energy companies. They produce energy. Silly people like you use a plastic (oil based material) computers to post on line (electricity from fossil fuels) to bemoan the use of oil and coal etc. Hypocrite thy name is @ElwoodBlues
@hippyjoe1955 [quote]As a matter of fact yes they do. [/quote] If that's true you shouldn't have any trouble naming the wind farm and the owner. But you won't because your statement is easily proven false.
[quote]It is an american company that I am talking about.[/quote] Why are you so afraid to name it??
@hippyjoe1955 Already ducking the question, [b]LOL!!![/b] Already giving the lie to your statement about ownership, [b]ROTFL!!![/b]
[quote]Where I grew up is covered in windmills and more being added [/quote] Interesting. You say Big Oil own those windmills but you refuse to name the windfarm. Trying to hide your lies, [b]LOL!!![/b]
[quote]It is an american company that I am talking about.[/quote] Why are you so afraid to name it??
@ElwoodBlues You do know how to run a search engine don't you? I bet with a few clicks on your plastic keyboard you could use the electricity created by fossil fuels to find the answer to your questions. I won't bother spoon feeding you since you aren't interested in the information anyways.
@hippyjoe1955 My daytime electricity comes from the solar panels on my roof, thank you vary much. My nighttime electricity comes from the 14KWh battery in my basement, thank you very much.
[quote]Where I grew up is covered in windmills and more being added [/quote] Interesting. You say Big Oil own those windmills but you refuse to name the windfarm. Trying to cover up your lies, [b]LOL!!![/b]
[quote]It is an american company that I am talking about.[/quote] Why are you so afraid to name it??
@ElwoodBlues And the solar panels just magically manufactured themselves. Too funny. You have no idea how much energy went into the creation of the solar panels and are obviously oblivious to the toxic stew that will be left when the panels fail in a few years. Your solution is worse than the problem.
idealized quantitative model: https://www.climate-policy-watcher.org/coriolis-force/a-simple-mathematical-model-of-the-greenhouse-effect.html
http://web.mit.edu/globalchange/www/climate.html
