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Good thing that whole "Climate Change" thing was a hoax! Am I right???

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-administration-releases-report-finding-no-convincing-alternative-explanation-for-climate-change/ar-AAupvvD

[quote]The report affirms that climate change is driven almost entirely by human action, warns of potential sea level rise as high as 8 feet by the year 2100, and enumerates myriad climate-related damages across the United States that are already occurring due to 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit of global warming since 1900.

“It is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century,” the document reports. “For the warming over the last century, there is no convincing alternative explanation supported by the extent of the observational evidence.”

The report’s release underscores the extent to which the machinery of the federal scientific establishment, operating in multiple agencies across the government, continues to grind on even as top administration officials have minimized or disparaged its findings. Federal scientists have continued to author papers and issue reports on climate change, for example, even as political appointees have altered the wording of news releases or blocked civil servants from speaking about their conclusions in public forums. The climate assessment process is dictated by a 1990 law that Democratic and Republican administrations have followed.[/quote]

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hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

How stupid do you have to be to write such bunk and how much stupider do you have to be to believe it? Good grief the only stable thing about climate is that it changes. Warmer cooler wetter drier. it is constantly changing and has constantly changes since earth began. So just how is it mans fault that the climate changed suddenly and there was an ice age that happened so fast mammoths were flash frozen standing up with food in their mouth?

Pherick · 41-45, M

@hippyjoe1955 Speaking of stupid ... so glad you showed up. A simple look at facts and data we have shown that long-term yes, weather and climate change. What we can see though is in the recent past, since man starts polluting on a large scale, climate change has taken a hard turn.

Here is a simple comic to explain it to you.
https://xkcd.com/1732/

WalksWith · 51-55, F

@hippyjoe1955 Correct! It was going to happen anyway, HUMANS just made it come quicker. Learn the whole truth instead of cherry picking.

RemovedUsername8862 · 26-30, M

@hippyjoe1955 Because, friend, while the climate does change naturally, and can have extreme isolated events, there has been no point at which the fossil record reveals as sudden or as fast a change as the Anthropocene displays. Further, ice core samples reveal a sudden alteration in air quality and composition that chronologically and chemically ties to the initiation of the Industrial Revolution and large-scale technological improvement and mass production. These particles alter the reflective and insulating aspects of the troposphere and stratosphere, which in turn alters the amount of energy infiltrating the atmosphere. That's the argument used by the vast majority of climate scientists to outline the theory that the bulk of ongoing climate change is anthropogenic.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@Pherick You don't have any facts. CO2 is plant food and not a greenhouse gas as commonly understood the reason being is the earth is not a greenhouse. Thousands of years ago the CO2 levels were multiple times higher than they are now but life did not perish. The earth did not burn up. Instead it cooled off. Hmmmm If you can not predict history you can not predict the future either.

Pherick · 41-45, M

@hippyjoe1955 You know what bud, I think I am going to go with couple hundreds of years of data and a whole world full of climate scientists instead your inane rant, but hey you keep at it.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@RemovedUsername8862 There has been no warming for over 20 years. It is likely to get cooler now since el nina is about to poke her ugly head out of the ocean for the next few years. The sun is at an extended minimum which means it is not heating the earth like it did a few years ago. Mankind is not a driver of climate.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@Pherick You don't have a couple of hundred years of data because you won't look at it. The data shows my contention not yours.

WalksWith · 51-55, F

@hippyjoe1955 You have NO idea what climate change is, so stop thinking you do.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@WalksWith And you think you do?????? Tell me what it is and what evidence there is for it being caused by mankind. Remember climate has always changed so you have to prove extraordinary change beyond anything the earth has ever seen before not simply it is a bit warmer this year than last.

Pherick · 41-45, M

@hippyjoe1955 You really have no idea. Lets start here ...

[quote]The gases in the atmosphere that absorb radiation are known as "greenhouse gases" (sometimes abbreviated as GHG) because they are largely responsible for the greenhouse effect. The greenhouse effect, in turn, is one of the leading causes of global warming. The most significant greenhouse gases are water vapor (H2O), carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4) and nitrous oxide (N2O), according to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). "While oxygen (O2) is the second most abundant gas in our atmosphere, O2 does not absorb thermal infrared radiation," Michael Daley, an associate professor of environmental science at Lasell College, told Live Science.[/quote]

I guess you were right, I only have 150 or so years of data.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature

or go here and make your own graph.

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global

Pherick · 41-45, M

@hippyjoe1955 Thats what all the data is showing you, a rapid change for the past 150 or so year since we have been measuring. You are just not paying attention.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@Pherick 150 years is not enough data. Climate cylces can be thousands of years long. BTW did you know that the "warmest year on record" cough cough was only warmer by less than the margin of error? Not that you care you are not into science.

Pherick · 41-45, M

@hippyjoe1955 What are you babbling about?

You have NO idea about real science, you never post anything, you just rant,which means nothing.

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
https://www.popsci.com/evidence-climate-change-is-real

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@Pherick You believe that 'official' information? You are even more foolish than I thought. The graph is so far off as to be unbelievable. In fact most reputable scientists will tell you that the CO2 level is very very low to the point that plants are starving to death. We need more CO2 not less.

Pherick · 41-45, M

@hippyjoe1955 *sigh* Whatever .. again, you say things that mean nothing and post no evidence or anything to be looked over. You just talk, I couldn't give a rats ass what you "think". I care what you can prove, which like always is nothing.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@Pherick What I am saying is someone put a graph on a website. It proves nothing. It is not even accurate to what the IPCC has on their website. Seriously you need a good course in science and then one in recognizing propaganda. You have been sucker punched and don't even know it.

Pherick · 41-45, M

@hippyjoe1955 You know what they teach in science? Facts, data, hypotheses and conclusions. You know what they don't teach? Ranting and ranting and ranting while never providing evidence for anything you say.

The IPCC has data that contradicts NASA? Then please, by all means, post some of it, we can work through it. Thats what a scientist would do.

You are nothing but a whiny know-nothing who can't even argue well on the Internet. Its sooooo easy. Putup or shutup.

Really. You won't, you never do, but really. No whining about me not being knowledgable about science or being under the spell of the "man". or whatever craziness you believe. Just post some data and facts that refute me or SHUT THE FUCK UP.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@Pherick I am a scientist by training. I used to do research based on science. I know its limitations and how easy it is to manipulate people with science. Affix the word science to any bit on nonsense and you will have an instant following. Scientists like Einstein doubted their own work! That is the way science should be. You simply don't have enough information in your assertion and are too closed minded about it.

Pherick · 41-45, M

@hippyjoe1955 Also in just another hilarious note, poking around the IPCC site, their latest release is 2013, they have another coming out in 2019, but in the summary for policymakers it says,

[quote]Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, and since the 1950s, many of the observed
changes are unprecedented over decades to millennia. The atmosphere and ocean have
warmed, the amounts of snow and ice have diminished, sea level has risen, and the
concentrations of greenhouse gases have increased (see Figures SPM.1, SPM.2, SPM.3 and
SPM.4). {2.2, 2.4, 3.2, 3.7, 4.2–4.7, 5.2, 5.3, 5.5–5.6, 6.2, 13.2}[/quote]

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/WG1AR5_SPM_FINAL.pdf

Pherick · 41-45, M

@hippyjoe1955 Thanks for confirming my theory on your inability to putup or shutup. Its a small dataset, but I am going to call that theory confirmed.

CopperCicada · M

@hippyjoe1955 For the sake of illustration...

A bunch of men and women get together and do a scientific study. They come up with the finding: [i]the answer is 4[/i].

Yes. This is silly. Bear with me.

One can't refute the finding "the answer is 4" by saying it was published in a journal, it was on an official website. Or by saying [i]4 does prove anything[/i]. Or by just fluffing it off-- [i]the answer is always going to be a number, so big whoop, I'm not convinced[/i].

One has to actually go through the study. Through the data. Through the methodology. Through the findings. Through the controls. And then one needs to take a step to the left and right and see if somebody else has repeated the study, if it's been repeated with a different method. And doing all the same things with those studies. Look at the data, the methodology, the findings, the controls.

Just saying the climate changes, you don't know what makes it change, the data is bogus, that doesn't prove anything, it's in a journal so it's all politics-- that's not how one refutes climate science. Don't pretend it does.

WalksWith · 51-55, F

@hippyjoe1955 I can't PROVE it as I am not a scientist. Even if I could you wouldn't believe it because your mind is dead set against anything that you THINK is a 'liberal agenda'. You've proven that by the HISTORY of your posts. What I DO know that humans HAVE accelerated the climate change process. If breathing concentrated levels of CO2 kills a human, what makes you think it is different from the living elements of life on Earth? When they pull up samples taken from ice shelf's and can SEE pollution in the ice and pollution from a hundred+ years ago you really have to listen to what they are saying. But, you won't, because you're told not to.

CopperCicada · M

@WalksWith It's ultimately a spiritual disease. One either sees the earth as something they are part of, and thus they respect it. Or they see themselves as something outside and above the earth and it is something to use. Climate science has nothing to do with it.