Practical view....

@OogieBoogie kids know Halloween is just dress up.
They dont get that same message with drag queens and so on when they are told they can basically be whatever they want based off of how they feel.
Big difference

@Torsten To kids, someone dressed as extravagantly as a drag queen is seen as dress up .
Pure and simple.

Like father Christmas
Like Halloween
Like easter bunny...

Kids arent stupid....they know that its a 'character'.

Its only adults who need to go and make something as simple as reading in dress up ...(some specific way, but not others), into something 'wrong' and make double standards.
It basically undermines creativity and makes kids confused as to why you can dress up one way ...but not the other.

And why?
Because some people got hangups and wanna make eveything sexual.
When it isnt .

Its just a dressed up character reading to children.

I get there has been some fucked up stuff in the media about childrens playgroups and drag queen pole dancing and stuff...which IS pretty screwed up . I get that, THAT crosses a line .

But reading a book in a library to kids?
Really?
Do you really imagine kids think that some person dressed as a wizard or a fairy are REAL wizards and fairies ?

Sometimes i think that grownups forget the magic of what being a child is like. They lose their sense of play and make believe ...and gotta stomp the fun outta everything .

@OogieBoogie yeah it is seen as dress up till they are told they can put on a dress and be a girl or that feelings determine what someone is.
Drag queens have no place in schools and its ridiculous to claim otherwise.

Kids are not stupid, correct but kids are also constantly soaking everything up like a sponge and they dont need this shit to confuse them

nothing wrong with make believe and playing but that changes when they are told they can truly be anything they want just by feeling a certain way or dressing a certain way.

@Torsten So if someone has a desire to be a fireman or a laywer then that's wrong?
Their feelings on what they want to be dont count?

@OogieBoogie no because that is different, and you know that.

@OogieBoogie should schools also allow strippers and porn stars around children?

you mentioned some things you seen in media around it that is messed up, do you not see that alone should be reason to stop this already? This drag queen stuff around children has opened the doors to that type of perverted shit to be directed at children. When will it be too much for you guys to say no more?

@Torsten its not different.
We express ourselves very much by image:
- Doctors wear a white jacket
- Buisness men wear suits
- fairies have wings
- ballerinas wear tutus.
- cowboys wear Stetsons.

There's even social status and ethnicity connected to style.

And most of us go through some stage in our development where we play with our identiy in the clothes we choose.

The very hairstyle you choose says something about you.

Once, women were arrested for wearing trousers it was seen as so scandalous.

Just because its not your norm doesn't make it wrong for everyone else.
Just becuase its not seen as a norm now, doesn't mean it wont become normal for future generations.

Society changes.🤷‍♀️

@OogieBoogie how many lawyers and firemen have danced provocatively around children or told them they can change genders and be whatever they want if they feel that way?
its very different.
How many child sex offenders were allowed in schools because of firemen and lawyers? can you name any time that has happened?
I can name several times its happened due to drag queens being allowed in schools.
Again, its very different.
Lawyers and fireman goals are very realistic and grounded in reality. The other is based around fantasy and delusions..

@Torsten Strippers and porn stars are explicitly sexual professions.

Drag Queens are not .
Some are connected to those professions, but most are professional comedians or cabaret performers.

Its the fact that i think you are associating drag queens with sexuality that is the problem here.

What if i told you that many paedophiles are attracted to profeasions that give them close contact with children?
You know, like teachers, camp leaders, party clowns etc .
Does this make ALL teachers leery predators?
No....it doesnt .

Condeming all drag queens to be sexual performers is an assumption that is made by associating them with a minorty of offenders who happen to be in drag.

You cant paint all people in one profession with the same brush.

@Torsten how many lawyers got child predators off scott free?

How many teachers have been fired becuase of inappropriate conduct?

Im not even going to reply to your silly comments about pole dancing firemen 😂....thats just too funny.

The point im trying to make is -
Just coz someone is a drag queen it doesnt make them queer, or a sexual predator or a bad person.

Yes...some are.
Just as some lawyers and doctors and god knows every other profession has creepy sick people in it.
You're making the assumption that every man in a dress is a pervert.

And that's just not true.

That's like me saying every man with a turban is a terrorist.
Its unfair
Its cruel
And its wrong.

@OogieBoogie could have fooled me with all the videos and photos of drag queens exposing themselves to children inappropriately.
I am not condemning all drag queens. Not at all. I am condemning drag that want to be around children.
That is what we are talking about here after all and that is children and these people coming into their schools.

What i dont get is how you said you seen some of the perverted things that has happened around this and yet you still defend it.
Its a unnecessary thing that has been brought into schools that has done harm to children. There is no excuse that it is still allowed to take place in schools.
Just opening schools doors to one convicted child sex offender is horrendous on its own but this has happened several times now due to drag queens being allowed in schools. that is ridiculous.

It would be like me arguing guns should be allowed in schools because school shootings dont happen every day and most children would not go around shooting people and yes i know that is a ridiculous argument to even make up, but drag queens and sex offenders allowed in schools is almost at that level to me

@Torsten The reality is, theres less sexual abuse is going on in schools today than it was 40 years ago .

And there were no drag queens back in school in those days .

One of the worst things you can do to a childs education is limit it.
Imagine if we didnt let our kids go to school with coloured people coz we believed they were all evil heathens?
Imagine if we didnt let our kids associate and learn about other cultures coz we saw them as ungodly?
Imagine if we taught our kids to judge people by how they look instead of how they are?

Again, just coz a man wears a dress, doesnt make him a bad person, or a bad teacher or unethical.

@OogieBoogie that is not a argument. fact is this drag queen stuff in schools has allowed convicted sex offenders to be in contact with children. How can you or anyone else try and gloss over that?

not allowing drag queens in schools certainly does not limit childrens learning because there is no reason children should be learning about them in the first place.

I agree with all those things about a man wearing a dress. Just keep children out of it.
Its like that case where that teacher who claimed to be trans would show up to school in huge fake breasts. Do you think that was also appropriate?
should never have been allowed and if he refused to not wear it. He should have been fired.
People care more about sexuality and feelings now rather than putting children first in their own education and that needs to stop

@Torsten i do want to say one more thing :
Here, in Australia, we are screened and have a background check before we are allowed to work or volunteer in a school.
Not even a contractor can enter a school without an identity card that shows they have been police checked.

So maybe, instead of blaming all drag queens of being sex offenders, maybe place some fault on the school for letting a known offender in, in the first place.🤷‍♀️

@OogieBoogie maybe you should read what i am saying. I am not saying all drag queens are sex offenders. I am saying that drag queen crap being allowed in schools has allowed sex offenders in contact with children.
If say fireman came in schools and were reading to children, if that program got some child sex offenders in the school grounds around children, i would be saying the exact same thing.
I think you're just hung up on the fact that this time its about dra queens and that goes back to me saying people care more about sexuality and feelings over childrens safety and education now and that needs to stop. how many more times do children need to be exposed to adult perversions such as drag queens exposing themselves to children and so on before you all start actually putting the children first?

@Torsten ummm, no i don't think it would change what im saying .

If firemen were let in to read to children, and there was a sex offender amongst them, i would not blame the profession of firemen for that, id blame the offender.

@OogieBoogie and how bout multiple? how many would be allowed in before you felt that program should be stopped? I think its crazy even after just one was allowed in due to that program, you would still defend it let alone multiple and videos and so on of them exposing themselves to children.
its sickening to me

@Torsten again....you are using a minority of examples to tarnish a whole genre.

Do you know how long drag queens have been reading to kids?
Amd its been fine for years.

But media shows you a few bad apples and suddenly its 'everyone is a sicko'

Imagine your sibling does something illegal, i dunno, like strealing a car - do i now assume all your family is a bunch of crimials .....just by association ?
By your logic, i should .

@OogieBoogie there really is no getting through to you.
I will always put childrens safety before adult perversions. Very telling the people that dont do the same.
have a good night

@OogieBoogie There is no way to get through to him. He is obsessed with trans people and Drag Queens and most likely sexually attracted to them because he cannot distinguish between age appropropriate shows and programs for children.

I wonder why he doesn't advocate against kids going to school or camps.. after all teachers and camp guides are a group with predators amongst them.

@Gloomy damn that is just as ridiculous as your other claim that you can not back up here.
What is it with you people when people have legitimate concerns with these type of issues you all just sum it up to "they must be attracted to them"?
maybe by your logic you must be attracted to child sex offenders 🤷‍♂️

if a child was in contact with a sex offender at a certain school or camp, damn right i would not send my kid to it

@Torsten yes well, i work in a school and have worked in child and disabilty care for years.
So i understand pretty well the 'duty of care' a school should comply to and make precautions for.
So the fact is, a convicted offender should never have been allowed one step into thise schools.

And you know, there are two things id NEVER want to teach a child :
1. To be violent
2. To be a bigot

There's enough uneccessary hate in this world without making more.

@OogieBoogie well that is a scary thought you being in charge of children after you glossing over this and essentially making excuses for it..

call me a bigot, all you like.
As someone who went through child sexual abuse, i will make damn sure that shit never happens to my child and i will not stay quiet when that type of disturbing shit takes place in schools or anywhere else that is abuse towards children

@Gloomy ugh, ive had many conversations with him over this issue and he cant see that paedophilia isnt related to drag queens.

And yeah, as a person who was a camp leader for a while, teacher, class aid, child group carer - ive personally experienced seeing a co worker escorted away by police due to being caught in a 'compromising situation'.
And they are never the ones you expect :
- The maths teacher in the three piece suit.
- The english teacher who looks so prim and attentive.
- the longterm counsellor who helped organise the whole camp project.

It was scary. And so dissapointing.
A school is a whole organsim that works towards working FOR the kids.
It has a responsibility to make sure all employees comply to a standard.

Here, even if its just an accusation without proof, such things can end your career- you will never be allowed in a school again.