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Richard65 · M
I think just looking at the diverse replies on here shows it means different things to different people. A recent Guardian article stated,
"'Between the river and the sea' is a fragment from a slogan used since the 1960s by a variety of people with a host of purposes. And it is open to an array of interpretations, from the genocidal to the democratic."
That about sums it up. Nobody here (or anywhere) can definitively say what it means, as it all depends on who's saying it, in what context and what their specific intent behind it is. It's become a propaganda slogan with a variety of interpretations, and thus is now practically meaningless. It serves the inherent human desire to take huge complexity and reduce it to a simplistic idea summed up by a pithy line. It's become pointless in any serious debate. It might as well be a slogan for a washing powder or an advert for hair shampoo.
"'Between the river and the sea' is a fragment from a slogan used since the 1960s by a variety of people with a host of purposes. And it is open to an array of interpretations, from the genocidal to the democratic."
That about sums it up. Nobody here (or anywhere) can definitively say what it means, as it all depends on who's saying it, in what context and what their specific intent behind it is. It's become a propaganda slogan with a variety of interpretations, and thus is now practically meaningless. It serves the inherent human desire to take huge complexity and reduce it to a simplistic idea summed up by a pithy line. It's become pointless in any serious debate. It might as well be a slogan for a washing powder or an advert for hair shampoo.
Moon3624 · 18-21, F
@Richard65 diverse replies doesn’t mean it’s a complex issue.
There were people who were supporting the South African apartheid
There were /are
people who support
the Nazi movement
Enslavement of free people based on color of skin
The kkk
etc
Does that mean there are really two valid moral sides to these issues ?
No.
People should actually educate themselves on the matter.
There are no two sides when indigenous people saw their lands annexed and today live under apartheid
There is no linearity
Palestine will be free
Is the only sane sentence in the entire comment section
There were people who were supporting the South African apartheid
There were /are
people who support
the Nazi movement
Enslavement of free people based on color of skin
The kkk
etc
Does that mean there are really two valid moral sides to these issues ?
No.
People should actually educate themselves on the matter.
There are no two sides when indigenous people saw their lands annexed and today live under apartheid
There is no linearity
Palestine will be free
Is the only sane sentence in the entire comment section
Richard65 · M
@Moon3624 if you don't see this as a complex issue, then I'll put that down to your youth (and I don't mean that to be patronising). It's one of the most complex issues in modern history, which is why we're still dealing with it. Irrespective of its beginnings, do you think the Jews are going to quit Israel? Do you think violent factions of Hamas will simply live peacefully alongside Jews after some deal has been arranged? Do you think the entirety of Hamas can be eradicated? I just said the issue was complex, I didn't say there were two moral sides to it - complexity doesn't necessarily involve moral principles.
Plus, my point was regarding the meaning behind the chant, not who is morally qualified to say it, and I explained that the diverse comments show that it does mean different things to different people. The question in the original post asked if it was specifically a call to genocide, which I don't think it is. You're addressing a completely different question in your reply to me.
Plus, my point was regarding the meaning behind the chant, not who is morally qualified to say it, and I explained that the diverse comments show that it does mean different things to different people. The question in the original post asked if it was specifically a call to genocide, which I don't think it is. You're addressing a completely different question in your reply to me.
Richard65 · M
@Moon3624 you seem to completely misunderstand my point. You're focused on morality and as I've said, complexity doesn't necessarily involve moral principles. A maths problem is complex, does that mean it's moral? The definition of complex is: Something so complicated or intricate as to be hard to understand or deal with. Where does morality come into it? The situation in Gaza right now IS a complex problem to solve. You seem to think waving a magic wand will somehow solve it.