I go onto YouTube looking for specific information on Jung…two hours later, watching - how to make fancy canapés I know I’ll never make.

@Doometernal seriously? You’re the first person I’ve heard say that. Well done for not getting distracted.

@LilithoftheTrees i trained myself. Check this out

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@Doometernal I don’t disagree. My point today however is to be entertained( I have the day off) . I’m listening and what he says, makes perfect sense….just look at us here, on this site. We are all biting the hook.

@LilithoftheTrees lots of issues with jung's psychology.

Main one is using spirit or other metaphysical analysis to explain some concepts.

Also the whole dream symbolism and interpretation is kind of garbage.

But yeah overall he paved the way for modern psychology

@Doometernal I don’t agree with you on dream symbolism being complete garbage, I’m not a psychoanalyst but the universal archetype and it’s symbolism in dreams makes sense in my book. According to what I’ve read about sleep science, dreams are still largely misunderstood. Perhaps we will find some new answer to what Jung presented in the future.

@LilithoftheTrees maybe dreams do mean something. We don't know yet.

That i agree.

But i don't agree with jung's dream symbolism explanations

@Doometernal interesting, why not and what do you think instead?

@Doometernal thanks for the vids. By the way. I do all that he was talking about at different points in time.

@Doometernal Most of the issues I find in Jung's psychology, philosophy, and perhaps more broadly, methodology, come perhaps most from the European mindset he would have been absorbed in at the time, though I certainly get the sense by the end of his life that he had started to become sick even of this.


This is actually not what makes the his psychology problematic, but instead actually quite brilliant. He is following a foundation that Freud placed down, that being, that the unconscious has to be interacted with on an unconscious basis, but taken to a point that Freud hadn't. He prefers spirit and metaphysics, not only or specifically because he personally does, but because the unconscious, which is the subject and object of his studies, seems to prefer those words and explanations as well. If you can see, the true brilliance is actually that he is, in principle, saying; "We must speak the unconscious' language if we wish for it to talk back."


A lot of people say this, though I am always curious as to why so few take to explaining why they think this. Jung predicted that people should have this reaction, since dreams appear so irrational and foggy to us. The Conscious mind, which is what we tend to base our sense of Self on, is not able to so easily penetrate the heart of dreams. And since so much of our sense of Self is found in the Conscious mind, we may almost take the dream to be some sort of incomprehensible madness or perhaps even insult, which one wouldn't wish to dwell on, which is why most do not, not even touching on all the traumatic elements which sometimes bubble on the surfaces of dreams.

Even here though, Jung's point remains very much the same, speak the language of the unconscious if you wish to understand it. One must, of course, go to dreams if you want to understand what dreams mean.


I don't exactly know how he did this? I can point to *aspects* which were perhaps inspired by him, but modern psychology is not very Jungian. Freud, Lacan, Frankl, William James, and all alike are all also considered to have "paved the way", though I struggle to really point to how, again *aspects* perhaps, but modern psychology isn't much of a descendent of any of those schools. Though, also, modern psychology isn't much of a psychology...

@LuciliaLucyfer very informative, thank you!