do you think britain should leave the ecohr
European courts of human rights? is that it's title? because ukip party is building the argument that we in britain should leave it.
what are your thoughts?
what are your thoughts?
46-50, M
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@MartinII We have always tried to portray the county as upholding basic human rights and dignity, and acting as best we can (not always easy or well, perhaps) on it.
The UK was one of the founders of the ECHR, which now numbers 46 European countries - the exceptions being Russia and Belorus (no surprise there) and the Vatican City.
I don't know why the last. It might be trying to look politically and judicially neutral. Whether it is, I would not care to say, but I think its detractors might call its membership deeply hypocritical.
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If we were to leave, it indicate to all the other members, and to rest of the world generally, that we no longer regard such rights as very important. That would hugely encourage not only the creeping expansion of tyrannies like China, Russia and the Middle Eastern theocracies, but also growing authoritarian ideologies among some European nations and possibly, growing isolationism in the USA to whom a "special relationship" with any other country is always USA-first.
Although the EU and its ECJ have nothing to do with the ECHR, the USA did want the UK to join the EU originally, to reduce the UK's influence in the world. I do not know how it now views our leaving the EU or what it thinks at Government level of the EU and the ECHR - but I do worry that any nation leaving either body might play into some US political hands to US advantage.
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However, it is important to keep in mind that this is an idea put up by a few MPs. It is not Government policy, and it would almost certainly need Parliamentary approval it would almost certainly not obtain.
Given that one trait of parliamentary democracies is a tendency to look only to the next General Election, it may even be Electoral suicide for any Governmental party that brought about such leaving. Yes, that electoral defeat would make the Opposition parties and supporters happy, but for the wrong reasons and not guaranteeing rejoining the Court.
The UK was one of the founders of the ECHR, which now numbers 46 European countries - the exceptions being Russia and Belorus (no surprise there) and the Vatican City.
I don't know why the last. It might be trying to look politically and judicially neutral. Whether it is, I would not care to say, but I think its detractors might call its membership deeply hypocritical.
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If we were to leave, it indicate to all the other members, and to rest of the world generally, that we no longer regard such rights as very important. That would hugely encourage not only the creeping expansion of tyrannies like China, Russia and the Middle Eastern theocracies, but also growing authoritarian ideologies among some European nations and possibly, growing isolationism in the USA to whom a "special relationship" with any other country is always USA-first.
Although the EU and its ECJ have nothing to do with the ECHR, the USA did want the UK to join the EU originally, to reduce the UK's influence in the world. I do not know how it now views our leaving the EU or what it thinks at Government level of the EU and the ECHR - but I do worry that any nation leaving either body might play into some US political hands to US advantage.
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However, it is important to keep in mind that this is an idea put up by a few MPs. It is not Government policy, and it would almost certainly need Parliamentary approval it would almost certainly not obtain.
Given that one trait of parliamentary democracies is a tendency to look only to the next General Election, it may even be Electoral suicide for any Governmental party that brought about such leaving. Yes, that electoral defeat would make the Opposition parties and supporters happy, but for the wrong reasons and not guaranteeing rejoining the Court.
