Why would someone want to move back to Britain after living in the US for many years ?

@Roundandroundwego Los Angeles is often cited outside of the USA as an exemplar of such traffic problems; but is by no means alone for congestion both on roads and in lungs.

Do these cities not have good public-transport systems helped by large car-parks in railway-stations outside of the city, and by formal "park-&-ride" schemes?

Are any American city councils thinking about introducing the low-emission area regulations becoming common among UK and European cities? I know they would be likely be unpopular, and they undeniably cause considerable expense, difficulties and resentment for the residents and businesses within them (ask many Londoners).

@ArishMell Honolulu has worse traffic. It's not just my opinion, it's worse. Coast to coast it's that road with those cars
So, it's the choice of the Americans to kill everyone and all the ecosystem.

@Roundandroundwego Oh, thankyou for that! I must admit I'd never thought of Honolulu as a country with very high car ownership!

@ArishMell it's death worship. No need for cars but the Murkans must have three interstate freeways to themselves on Oahu, a tiny island. They built H1, H2 and H3. Driving is modern, walking is leftist. You can imagine how proud they are to drive! And the fake left, Dems, always gaslight the people who don't drive. They lie about where to be and hate hate hate! the gal on the bike. Cars only!

@Roundandroundwego Ah. OK! Thank you for explaining it.

Though I wonder if any other country would define styles of travel - often by necessity rather than choice - by party-politics. :-)

"Death worship"... Mmmm. A good point at least to consider. I don't entirely agree with it as there are many areas in many countries where you've no choice but to drive if your journey is not practical on foot or cycle.

Here at least, even a lot of moderately suburban areas, small towns and villages suffer from poor or no public transport services, in a sort of economics circle by which reducing buses or trains increases car use, which in turn, reduces the use of public services below economic levels.

Nevertheless many UK and European continental cities are now introducing schemes to limit vehicle use within them: designating congestion and clean-air control areas are one way, another is the park-and-ride system.

@ArishMell party politics? Two parties love the cars. Oahu is six miles North to south where H3 goes through. It's a tiny island with people driving to show they can.

@Roundandroundwego My party politics reference was to you showing how some think "walking is leftist" (whatever they actually mean by that) and believe Democrat supporters hate non-drivers.

I understand (an agree with) you saying the desire to drive everywhere is not itself political, but I am puzzled why some try to see a political dimension in walking and cycling. I wonder how they view those car-owners who also choose to walk and cycle - or those who have no choice because they cannot afford a car.

@ArishMell oh. Okay. The Dems are the "left" because Americans are so fascistic they have two rights.
And you support that to the last living thing!

@Roundandroundwego I know the USA's Democrat and Republican, Parties, are respectively left and right in their American spectrum generally somewhat to the right of that in most European (including British) mainstream politics.

However, I am not American, I do not live in America; and I support neither of that nation's Parties.

So I don't know how you seem to think I do.

I simply asked you to explain why, as you told me, some motorists despise pedestrians and cyclists, and do so in political terms. That is what I don't understand.


No mode of personal travel and transport is intrinsically political although the facilities (roads, railways, airports, etc) are provided - or not - in any country under any political system, at governmental level.

- Some people's choices are limited by personal circumstances (e.g., money or health problems).

- Others may choose not to own a car they can afford but do not need.

- Many motorists also walk, cycle or use public transport for particular trips according to wish or situation.

There are no politics in these, but you say some think there are. So why do they?

@ArishMell the island of Oahu is very Democratic party run. The driving is a political statement, as are the Three "interstate" freeways. It's anti Nature, pro war, pro USA and pro Hawaiian overthrow. The right to an abortion is the first thing on their lips if you try to talk about the poor tiny island they're destroying. So is the "shame on you! You just want to outlaw abortion ' excuse. Always drinking and always driving, they're the Dems. The US left. But most people just hate that. The powerful social classes are a small minority.

@Roundandroundwego Ah, I see.