Ukrainians want the West OUT!

@AbbySvenz The people in the eastern part of Ukraine all say the war started in 2014 when Obama installed a new president. Shortly thereafter Ukraine began shelling the cities in the eastern part of Ukraine because the people there spoke Russian. I had a dinner guest in 2015 from Donetsk who said that her mother's house in Donetsk had just been shelled by Ukrainian armed forces. According to the young lady who was dating my son the shelling had been happening since the change in Ukrainian president. (2014)

@hippyjoe1955 Have you not been recalled to St Petersburg to be reprogrammed yet? You're well past your sell-by date

@ArtieKat Nice to see all the CIA indoctrination was not wasted on you.

@hippyjoe1955 Is that the best you can offer?

@ArtieKat Ditto

@AbbySvenz According to the Russia lovers on here like our Canadian friend, Putin was helpless and had no choice but to invade. It's like the man who beats his wife while yelling "look what you make me do."

@Lila15 Putin had options. he could have stayed home. He knows that if he did the war would be waged in Russia and not Ukraine The US has stated the destruction of Russia as its goal.

@hippyjoe1955 Then he should have waited until he was attacked on Russian soil. You just said you were opposed to the Iraq War, which was the US preemptively attacking Iraq out of fear that Saddam had WMD and was going to attack us. So if you opposed that preemptive war, you should oppose Putin's. Of course, since you're a tankie who reflexively hates the U.S. and automatically supports Russia, then Putin gets a pass for doing the exact same thing we did.

@Lila15 Should the allies in WWII acted sooner or later when they knew that Hitler was killing Jews and others who he deemed human vermin? Russia moved into its new regions which voted to join Russia. Maybe you are unaware that the Ukrainians killed 14,000 Ukrainians because they spoke Russian at home. Should Russia have moved in to stop the Ukrainian Nazis? Absolutely. In fact the US and the UK and Canada and Western Europe should have marched against Ukraine. Suck a utterly useless loss of life. Sad that you cheer for the side of evil and nazis but I repeat myself.

@hippyjoe1955

[quote]Maybe you are unaware that the Ukrainians killed 14,000 Ukrainians because they spoke Russian at home[/quote]One of your typical gems of misinformation!

https://bitterwinter.org/donbass-did-ukraine-kill-14000-pro-russians/

@ArtieKat It is a well known established fact. The war started in 2014 and Ukraine has been shelling fellow Ukrainians for the entire time. Your misinformation is misinformation. Too bad you are not informed enough to recognize it. I learned about the shelling in eastern Ukraine in 2015 when a young lady from Donetsk told me that her mom's house had been shelled a day or two before. I found that very odd and didn't want to believe her. She then set me straight on the matter. Since that time I have heard quite a number of other people from the region say exactly the same thing. I watched a video of some front line Russian troops. The officer in charge of that section of trenches said that he was from Donetsk. Why would he be fighting for Russia if he was Ukrainian>? Because the Donetsk region voted in an open election to leave Ukraine and join Russia. You really drank the koolaide on this one. Maybe you should do some actual research instead of trying to 'fact check' using a silly website.

@hippyjoe1955 I wouldn't have expected anything else but such bullshit from you.

@ArtieKat You are the one posting fake websites as proof. Too funny. When you learn to think get back to me.

@hippyjoe1955 So says the guy who posts a misinformation website as proof. Too funny. When you learn to think get back to me.

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@hippyjoe1955 You are a sad little sack of excrement, aren't you? I don't think I've ever encountered anyone more un-Christian and less hippyish in my entire life. Just because you post the same comment, slightly edited, twice doesn't make it any more plausible.

@ArtieKat Calling evil evil is part of being a Christian. The US/NATO is a force for evil. It is the driving force behind the conflict in Ukraine and if it stopped supplying Ukraine with weapons and money the war would be over in 24 hours. That you are on the side of evil makes the rest of your comment a compliment and not an insult.

@hippyjoe1955 I don't know how you can stand to live in the democratic West when you are so eaten up by venom. Anyone less hypocritical would have followed Comrade Philby etc to Mother Russia.

@ArtieKat There is no democratic west. The US can't even run an honest presidential election. Do try to be honest.

@hippyjoe1955 Why do you keep on referring to the US? You're Canadian, aren't you? Nothing to say about your own country and how you vote in elections?

@ArtieKat Canada is a vassal state of the US. What the US wants Canada is a good boy and does it's best to provide.

@hippyjoe1955 And how do you vote?

@ArtieKat By secret ballot at the local polling station in person on the day of the election. You? Oh right you are American. Your vote doesn't matter since the election is determined by voting machine not popular vote.

@hippyjoe1955 Of course you aren't going to reveal how you vote - that would be tantamount to admitting what a fucking hypocrite you are.

@ArtieKat I vote best candidate. I could try to explain how Parliamentary voting works but it is way above your pay grade. Here is a hint. I have never voted for the PM of Canada in my life. The reason is because the PM of Canada only represents one riding in the entire country. The present PM is elected to Parliament from a riding in Quebec. I live in Alberta so I don't get to vote for him. I get to vote for my local MP. The one we have in our riding is utterly corrupt and I did not vote for him. Sadly enough people in the riding did and there was enough cheating to carry the corrupt person into office. I never vote party.