Ukrainians want the West OUT!

@TrashCat absolutely, positively useless trying to get any proof from him to back up his kremlin propoganda

@tindrummer I don't even think he cares about Russia. I've noticed that he's basically a contrarian. If American sentiment was on the side of Russia, he'd be just as passionate in his support of Ukraine.

Some people obtain gratification by holding an opinion contrary to what they think the mainstream one is. I'm sure he thinks this makes him smarter than everyone else.

@Lila15 The facts on the ground are quite simple. I am on the side of good and not evil. The US is a force for evil at the moment and while Putin is no saint he is not nearly as evil as the present US administration. At least Putin fights his own wars unlike the US that uses proxies to fight its wars.

@hippyjoe1955 Evil is invading a sovereign country, which is what Putin did. Would you prefer if the US sent its own troops there? We didn't use proxies in Afghanistan or Iraq, and we certainly didn't in Vietnam. In that war, the Soviets used proxies. I'm sure you thought those wars were wonderful, by the way, since they involved Muslims and Communists. In nearly every war the US has been in, we [i]haven't[/i] used proxies, unless you're talking about our interference in Central America. You probably supported that, too.

You may want to read a little history before making a general statement that doesn't match reality. The Ukrainian people are willing to fight the Russians, so we're helping them because it's in both of our interests.

You're not on the side of good or evil. You just like to disagree with whatever you think the mainstream view is. If we were helping the Russians instead, you'd be rooting for Ukraine.

@Lila15 This American reporter who is on the ground in Ukraine may disagree with you.

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@hippyjoe1955 If he's a reporter, can you post an article he's written about this? I'm suspicious of people who only post videos.

The fact that this guy leads off with the Gadsden Flag suggests that he is biased and may not be a good source of information.

@Lila15 Andrew Napolitano was on Fox news but was fired. That speaks volumes to the so-called reprter and where the kooky hippy shmoe gets his news from.

@TrashCat Gotta love you morons. If he had stayed at fox you would disparage him for being too conservative. Since he got fired by the organization you loathe..... I really don't care where he worked or what he did to get fired. I was much more interested in what the young officer had to say about the war starting 7 years ago and how 8 years ago he was considered a Ukrainian.

@hippyjoe1955 An idiot in any location is still an idiot, comrade jackoff

@hippyjoe1955 Everyone has their own opinion. Most Ukrainians want their country back.

@Lila15 And those in Donetsk want to be Russian. Do you have a point to make?

@hippyjoe1955 You want to be Russian. Does that mean Canada needs to give where you live to Russia?

@hippyjoe1955 Not all of them. I'm also very skeptical of a vote taken during an active war, run solely by the invader. If they want to be Russian so badly, they can emigrate, and Putin should have created a relocation fund to assist them, not invade another sovereign country.

People don't just get to decide they want to be in an adjacent country. What about the Ukrainians in Donetsk who want to remain part of Ukraine? There are a lot of Mexicans in Southern California, should that part of the U.S. be handed over to Mexico?

We can't live in a world where one country can invade another on the pretext that people living there want to be part of the invading country. You probably would have supported Hitler's invasion of the Sudentenland based on his claim that there were Germans living there.

@Lila15 exactly

@Lila15 When the people vote to leave and then are shelled by the country from which they voted to leave.... The fact is that other than a long dead Soviet leader drawing a line on a map there has been no clear definition of what is and what isn't Ukraine. The people in the east and south east side of the Dnieper river have always thought of themselves as Russian. Their mother tongue is Russian. They speak Russian at home. Ukraine has done nothing to convince them that they should be Ukrainian. Ukraine has a nasty reputation of killing Ukrainians who speak Russian. The first I heard about the shelling of Russian speaking Ukrainians by Ukraine was in 2015 when I met a young lady from Donetsk. She said that her mother's house had been destroyed by a Ukrainian shell that landed on the house during the routine shelling of the town. Your myopic pro American propaganda has huge holes in it. Kind of sad but that is your problem. The facts are that Ukraine has killed over 14,000 Ukrainian civilians for the unforgivable sin of speaking Russian at home.

@hippyjoe1955 Since when do people vote to leave a country and join an adjacent country? This isn't the Middle Ages. Ukraine has been a sovereign country since the fall of the USSR, and blather about what its borders were at some point in the past is ludicrous.

Putin's invasion was still illegal. I get that you like him because he's an anti-LGBT dictator but that doesn't make him a saint. And if you've spoken to anyone from Donetsk, then I'm Minnie Mouse.

@Lila15 exactly again - not the Minnie Mouse part 😛

@Lila15 It happens all the time. The confederate states voted to leave the union for just one example since you are so history deprived.

@Lila15 Tell that to Yullia the young lady from Donetsk who was dating my son in 2015. The relationship didn't last even though my son converted to Russian Orthodoxy.

@hippyjoe1955 You support the Confederacy seceding to preserve slavery? Since you claim to be a historian, maybe you remember what happened after that. Ukraine is entitled to do the same thing the Union did to preserve its sovereign territory. The difference is that the Civil War didn't involve a foreign country trying to take over the South.

It's weird how you always claim to have a personal connection whenever anyone disagrees with you. Right, your son was dating a Ukrainian woman who happened to come from Donetsk. And you were in the Vietnam War and worked with the homeless and advised Warren Buffett on investments and taught political science at Harvard.

@Lila15 I support people being able to vote for the country they live in. What they choose is entirely up to them.

@hippyjoe1955 No one is stopping them from moving. You for example can pack your shit and move to Russia

@TrashCat if 80 % of a population votes that should be enough.

@hippyjoe1955 Votes for you to relocate? My vote is in!

@TrashCat yawn. Silly Yankee