The fact that the US is even having to think about the Ukraine crisis is absolutely embarrassing for the EU

Y'all have both a population and economy which dwarfs that of Russia. Why does the US still have to be your helicopter mommy at this late date? Germany, France, Spain, & the UK should've collectively turned Ukraine into the most well-armed state in world history. Poland gets a pass bc they have a border to protect.

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Viper · M

I understand staying out of it at first...

But I honestly wonder if it might of been better if after a while NATO just went in there and pushed Russia back to Russia.

I mean all this money and time going to war is hurting most economies... and we're playing the economy war, which actually might help Russia at Putin has shown he don't give a 💩 about the economy compared to his pride...

And yes... nukes = scary... but Russia has never nuked anyone... yes they could at any point... but China and India (Russia's best partners) have already shown that's a red line that they're not willing to pass and so if Russia were to do it... they'd be totally and completely screwed and on their own other than maybe North Korea.

LegendofPeza · 61-69, M

@Viper ' better if after a while NATO just went in there and pushed Russia back to Russia'

I get this completely. A part of me wouldn't mind seeing a provocation that would necessitate NATO destroying that fucker's entire armed forces in Ukraine , Crimea and the Black Sea. The problem being what form that provocation might take and where it might lead.

Viper · M

@LegendofPeza I agree, and if China might get involved, I'd be extremely worried...

That being said... China seems to have zero interest in getting involved in Ukraine (though they could decide to invade Taiwan during the Ukraine distraction)...

So the only other worry is Nukes... which the entire world, including the Russian citizens and lower Army seem to be against...

Meanwhile, Russia seems to be planning to knock out out power and heat in Ukraine and let the people die by freezing... which they will, unless they get some help...

Which normally would come from the United Nations. But Russia and China have a good bit of power there... but probably couldn't stop it if it's not in the Security Council.

But Russia is basically setting up so some one has to help out, actually in the country... which probably be the U.N.