As a person who is apart of multiple marginalized groups

@Kazuya69 no you cant, because then you aren’t a true activist. Being an activist mean standing up for what’s right, and using your voice for those who can’t. [quote]sometimes the things people do in the name of "activism" is actually harmful to their own cause or coming from a place of manipulation or misunderstanding.[/quote]

What you are describing isn’t activism.

@littlelia When you say "for what's right" , what you really mean is agree with me or else. There is precedent for that in 1930s Germany.

@SW-User no when i say “for what’s right” I mean standing up for those who cannot stand up for themselves.

@littlelia Hamas, for example?

@SW-User the people fighting for their lives everyday in that small 25 mile long strip of land. The hundreds and thousands of children being killed with the help of American tax dollars that have been donated by the billions to the Israeli government. The 40 families that have been completely wiped out by the israeli government. The 12,000+ people that have been murdered since the siege on gaza started. The doctors who were killed by that missile that Israel launched at the hospital. The Journalists who have lost their families to the Israeli government, for simply keep us updated on what’s happening over there. And yes Hamas who have been fighting against the oppression the Israeli government has inflicted on the people of palestine.

@littlelia I understand, but right and wrong are often a matter of perspective, that perspective can shift depending on the lens you look at it through. Sadly often you get situations where neither side can stand up for themselves.

@Kazuya69 rarely ever can “neither side stand up for themselves”. Its always a classic case of oppressor making themselves look like the victim and having others do their dirty work for them, while the oppressed struggle to be heard. It’s really not a matter of perspective, people just like to go with whatever is easier. Which means most of the time they just follow the main imperial narrative rather than taking a look at the situation and thinking for themselves.

@Kazuya69 ill give you an example. In schools bullying is cause for suspension.
If a kid verbally abuses another kid every day 9 times out of 10 they wont get in trouble because “its just words” but if the kid being bullied gets fed up and hits the other kid. They are immediately suspended. Most people are gonna agree with the school on the account of “you shouldn’t let things get to you”. Rather than lecturing the other kids for messing with them in the first place.

@littlelia "Its always a classic case of oppressor making themselves look like the victim and having others do their dirty work for them" this is quite far from the truth. Historically, socially, legally its extremely common. Its one of the fundamental reasons violence perpetuates. Its why people who are being abused become abusers, and often at the same time. Take a kid being abused, who cant speak out or when they try its ignored, so they turn to hurting things they are stronger then like animals for example, neither can stand up for themselves. Even in your own example, it begs the question " why" why was the one verbally abusing the other, and then at what point of escalating does the victim before the aggressor? Legally for example where I am from the kid who hit the other would be in the wrong because you can only defend yourself with equal force. Otherwise you get person A who yells at person b and person B blows their brains out. Was person B really the victim in that case? I by no means am saying that the person who "started" it isn't at fault or doesn't share blame just to be clear.

@littlelia bullies often are bullied, abusers are or were often abused, inter-minority racism and violence is a thing. Slaves abused other slaves, infighting in groups happens all the time. Often one victim takes out their problems on another victim and so on . Sure in any given situation you can say that "one" side is the aggressor and the other the victim, but the big picture is often much less clear.

@Kazuya69 okay i agree with some of what you said. Yes the abused can become an abuser. My argument wasn’t meant to be that it’s okay for a person to abuse someone back just because they did it to them my argument is that abuse period is wrong no matter what the circumstances.

@littlelia which i do agree with

@Kazuya69 Slaves abused other slaves because they were made to fight for the favor of their “master” it was about survival not because they wanted to do it.

@Kazuya69 im not saying the kid hitting him would be right but im saying i would understand why he did it.

@littlelia sure but here's a real life example I personally know. When I was a kid a friend of mine was always being a jerk to this other kid , call him all kinds of names, tease him make fun of him etc. one day that kid hit my friend, then kept hitting him until the teacher pulled him off my friend. They both got in trouble, but the kid who hit my friend got suspended. Turned out my friend was always yelling, name calling , etc that other kid because the other kid and his older brother would beat the crap out of him and his little sister out of school. Problem was everyone thought my friend was just bulling the kid because he would always cry at school since he didn't have many friends at school. My friend thought if he could run him down at school the other kid would leave him and his little sister alone outside of school. Today, both that kid and his older brother are in prison or were.

All I am saying is its valuable to truly look at things from all sides when you can.

@Kazuya69 okay but you just proved my point your friend was playing the victim like most oppressors do, and he had you guys believing him thinking he was innocent, and that other kid was punished because of it.

@littlelia So then it was ok for the other kid to beat up my friend and his little sister ??? Keep in mind the other kid and his older brother had been doing that since before school started.

@Kazuya69 no that not what I said at all, its still very wrong.

@Kazuya69 what im saying is that kids retaliated because he was being pushed around and he had enough.

@littlelia but you said his was playing the victim, when he was in fact being beaten up by that kid and his older brother. Before he started "verbally" fighting back at school.

@littlelia " because the other kid and his older brother would beat the crap out of him and his little sister out of school."
my friend and his little sister where being attacked outside of school, so who was really pushing who around.

@Kazuya69 oh i think i misunderstood the story. I was agreeing with you saying that whichever kids that was getting beat up outside of school retaliated because they were fed up

@Kazuya69 also yes it still applies because that kids was playing victim in school but really he was the bully

@littlelia yeah, but the kid that people though was the bully because he was verbally attacking the kid was himself being bullied just others didn't know that. my point was about

"kid verbally abuses another kid every day 9 times out of 10 they wont get in trouble because “its just words” but if the kid being bullied gets fed up and hits the other kid. They are immediately suspended. Most people are gonna agree with the school on the account of “you shouldn’t let things get to you”. Rather than lecturing the other kids for messing with them in the first place."

The question is WHY . "kid verbally abuses another kid" What made the kid verbally abuse the other to begin with. Its just what that made me think about because : Kid A verbally Abuses kid B. Kid B hits kid A and gets in trouble for "defending himself". My example: Kid A (my friend back then) verbally abuses Kid B, Kid b hits kid A (my friend) and kid B gets in trouble for " defending himself". only thing was Kid A Verbally abused Kid B BECAUSE Kid B Physically abused him and his sister.

So you still have to look at all sides, and ask why.

@littlelia Do you also stand up for the Uyghurs, Rohingya, and other oppressed people? Or just Palestinians? You should edit your profile to clarify this.

“I only support Palestine and don’t GAF about any other oppressed people “