76% of Brits support an immediate ceasefire in Gaza
Despite the leaders of both major parties supporting the invasion and almost none of our media called for a ceasefire.
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Northwest · M
How do you explain the UK's unanimous political leadership's decision to go this route?
Canada is also not moving to ask for a ceasefire, only for preserving civilians' lives. Trudeau is not in the war business.
I think there's an agreement, behind the scenes, to push for removing Netanyahu post war, and forcing a 2-state solution.
FYI: both France and Canada confirmed their independent findings, indicating that the British Anglican hospital was hit by an Islamic Jihad misfired missile. They join the US, British and German in this assessment.
Canada is also not moving to ask for a ceasefire, only for preserving civilians' lives. Trudeau is not in the war business.
I think there's an agreement, behind the scenes, to push for removing Netanyahu post war, and forcing a 2-state solution.
FYI: both France and Canada confirmed their independent findings, indicating that the British Anglican hospital was hit by an Islamic Jihad misfired missile. They join the US, British and German in this assessment.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Northwest Our foreign policy consensus has been very pro Israel for a long time and also falls in with the US on everything.
You probably know, but the EU political class is divided on this issue.
On the hospital. Channel 4, which is reputable, discredited IDF claims about the missile's origin. I'll read into what you say though.
You probably know, but the EU political class is divided on this issue.
On the hospital. Channel 4, which is reputable, discredited IDF claims about the missile's origin. I'll read into what you say though.
Northwest · M
@Burnley123 The situation is very complex.
The Obama and Biden administrations, are not pro Netanyahu and his policy of driving Palestinians out. In fact, Netanyahu is one of the few world leaders, who has not been invited to the White House, specifically due to this.
The UK shadows the US's position.
However, both the UK and the US support Israel, as they should, as one of the states in the 2-state formula.
The left, should also support the state of Israel in a 2-state solution.
The left agenda: women's rights, democracy, LGBTQ rights, etc. As a leftist, would you want to be in Tel Aviv, or Tehran? or Cairo, or Damascus, or Amman, or Khartoum, or...
The only place that's close, would be Beirut, but in fact Lebanon is multiple countries. In one part of the country, beaches are, like Cyprus, clothing optional, and in another part, women are forced to wear a Hijab to the beach. You can't beat the SPF factor, but that's not what it's about.
The Arab street irony, is that they're cheering Hezbollah and Hamas, all the while forgetting that Hezbollah, Putin and Assad killed nearly 1 million Syrian civilians in an ongoing war, while weeping over Gaza civilians killed by Israel. Yes, every life counts, but...
The Obama and Biden administrations, are not pro Netanyahu and his policy of driving Palestinians out. In fact, Netanyahu is one of the few world leaders, who has not been invited to the White House, specifically due to this.
The UK shadows the US's position.
However, both the UK and the US support Israel, as they should, as one of the states in the 2-state formula.
The left, should also support the state of Israel in a 2-state solution.
The left agenda: women's rights, democracy, LGBTQ rights, etc. As a leftist, would you want to be in Tel Aviv, or Tehran? or Cairo, or Damascus, or Amman, or Khartoum, or...
The only place that's close, would be Beirut, but in fact Lebanon is multiple countries. In one part of the country, beaches are, like Cyprus, clothing optional, and in another part, women are forced to wear a Hijab to the beach. You can't beat the SPF factor, but that's not what it's about.
The Arab street irony, is that they're cheering Hezbollah and Hamas, all the while forgetting that Hezbollah, Putin and Assad killed nearly 1 million Syrian civilians in an ongoing war, while weeping over Gaza civilians killed by Israel. Yes, every life counts, but...
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Northwest I do support a two state solution. My only problems I see with that are logistical, not moral. The number of west bank settlements has increased massively since Oslo. However, if there is a way of working it then I support it
Leftist often get called out for being purity tests and being unable to compromise etc. My pro Palestine stance isn't because I'm unaware of Muslim counties views on gay rights but because the bigger picture (in my view) means siding with an oppressed and occupied people. Someone to me the point that Hamas would want to destroy Israel and all Israeli Jews.. I don't disagree. If the power dynamics were reversed and Israelis were the occupied people then I would be defending them against the a Palestinian authority who cut off supplies and bombed them. Fwiw, I would live in Tel Aviv, if I had to pick a ME city. I'd have to keep quite on my views, of course.
I don't think that the democrats like Netanyahu at all and I'm sure they privately want him gone. I also think that they believe Israel is taking too far in Gaza and that they are concerned with Netanyahu's legal reforms. I'm sure they side with the liberal protesters .
However, unless a hard stance is taken against the Israeli actions, I believe that hundreds of thousands of Palestinians will die. That is my prime motivation in this.
Leftist often get called out for being purity tests and being unable to compromise etc. My pro Palestine stance isn't because I'm unaware of Muslim counties views on gay rights but because the bigger picture (in my view) means siding with an oppressed and occupied people. Someone to me the point that Hamas would want to destroy Israel and all Israeli Jews.. I don't disagree. If the power dynamics were reversed and Israelis were the occupied people then I would be defending them against the a Palestinian authority who cut off supplies and bombed them. Fwiw, I would live in Tel Aviv, if I had to pick a ME city. I'd have to keep quite on my views, of course.
I don't think that the democrats like Netanyahu at all and I'm sure they privately want him gone. I also think that they believe Israel is taking too far in Gaza and that they are concerned with Netanyahu's legal reforms. I'm sure they side with the liberal protesters .
However, unless a hard stance is taken against the Israeli actions, I believe that hundreds of thousands of Palestinians will die. That is my prime motivation in this.