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I Am Dutch

I Have A Love/Hate Relationship With Being Dutch... -

I'm half Dutch, half French. I was born in the Netherlands and had a dual nationality at birth. I speak Dutch like a native and people here in the Netherlands will assume I'm a regular Dutch guy when they meet me.

But growing up my family lived in different countries. From the age of 9 until I was 19 I lived in a multicultural setting which was predominately American. Because of this I think very different than most Dutch people. When I am abroad most people think I'm American. (even Americans do)

I feel very proud of the Netherlands for the things it has achieved and the difference it has made in the world despite being such a tiny country. We invented the CD-Payer (Phillips), up until a few years ago we had the largest harbor in the world (Rotterdam). We were the first to recognize the independence of the USA. We are famous for our flowers, cheese and the construction of dams and dikes etc.

But when I'm not in the Netherlands I'm often ashamed of being Dutch. When I see how Dutch people behave it embarrasses me. Those who have worked with Dutch people tell me that the Dutch are very stubborn - they always know better. Sadly I have to agree with them.

I've worked for many international companies. I worked with the French, American, British, Belgian, Scandinavian, Africans, Asians, and Arabs and I get along with all of them. All - except that one Dutch guy. Somehow I always have a conflict with him. (and somehow he always happens to be the project manager)

So I have a love/hate relationship with the Netherlands. I love the country it was but I hate what it's becoming. I love what the Dutch have achieved but I hate how arrogant they are about it. I'm proud and sing our national anthem with tears in my eyes. But also want to deny my nationality when I'm abroad.

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Quelessir
Americans are more arrogant than we are... So i think that Dutch guy is just some weird-ass dude :p
GoneRogue · 51-55, M
Americans are patriotic and proud to be American. Their, what you call arrogance, is related to their patriotism. Americans have a sense of solidarity which Dutch people lack.
And when Americans say they are the best, they know they are not literally the best at everything... but in general Americans will apply themselves to excel to be or become the best at what ever it is they hope to achieve.
This is part of the American culture and their way of life. And I find it very commendable. I think Dutch people can learn a lot form this.

But go ahead and call me a weird ass dude, coz you are only helping me make my point. You see, this post is about me and how I relate to Dutch people, it's not about Americans, so your remark about them being more arrogant is completely off topic, and your conclusion that this makes me a "weird ass dude" has no logic to it.

Of course I could have just removed your post since it's off topic. But I think it's important that others can get to know you and what you think so they can make up their own opinion about you.
Quelessir
I said that Dutch guy you can't get along with is probably a weird-ass dude. Furthermore, America had no solidarity at all... First of all, all the criminals and people who were poor or had to flee Europe because of their religion or politics came to America. Then they slaughtered all the people who were there before them. Then they bought slaves from Europe to work in America. 'Americans' do not exist actually. Their 'patriotism' or arrogance as the rest of the world says, is all what binds those many cultures. 1/3 of America was made out of Mexicans... The rest out of Dutchmen, Frenchmen and Germans... About that 1/3 Mexicans I'm not really sure, but it was a big number. I didn't call you a weird ass. But that guy you isn't come along with. Dutch people don't need arrogance to have solidarity. We have a history, we are truly a nation. We have way more solidarity than America will ever have. We have healthcare instead if gun care. I think that says something about the level of solidarity these both countries have. If you don't know the difference between obama's 'healthcare' and our healthcare. Please google it. We Dutchmen can always afford surgeries which are nessecary. I don't mean to offend you, just to make a point.
GoneRogue · 51-55, M
I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I agree with some of your views but not all. But that's not what this post is about and I don't want to turn this post in a discussion about Americans.
Quelessir
True dat :p
Expatglobalcitizen
Quelessir - I am pleased with your 'True dat' response... On the other hand, you proved a very good point by your first reply, as this is exactly how Dutch citizens responded to me... which I do not appreciate and one reason why I left!!! Yes, I did grow up in a country where 'patriotism' binds many cultures, but at least we co-exist and know our neighbors.

GoneRogue - I am in the same position as your previous post.

GoneRogues Response: I'm half Dutch, half French. I was born in the Netherlands and had a dual nationality at birth. I speak Dutch like a native and people here in the Netherlands will assume I'm a regular Dutch guy when they meet me.
But growing up my family lived in different countries. From the age of 9 until I was 19 I lived in a multicultural setting which was predominately American. Because of this I think very different than most Dutch people. When I am abroad most people think I'm American. (even Americans do)

-I am dutch, moved to Canada when I was 6, USA when I was 9, moved back for a few years when I was 19, and the past few years have been in Asia.

In my opinion Dutch Nationalism is a large factor as to why its hard to integrate. Can I help I grew up abroad? NO!!! I was 6... I am extremely glad I did and have gotten to know other points of view and understanding of different views and cultures. As a Dutch Citizen I hoped that you would respect that I don't have the same morals, values, background as I am a global citizen.. even though I carry the passport. I would like to feel more Dutch but unfortunately have only gotten responses like the one Quelessir gave. Just because I carry the passport does not mean that I have to think the same way. Explaining why America is not the best country will only make me defend it more! There are good and bad aspects of many countries, but its cultural understanding that will get you much further. This is not only directed to you but also a lot of the people I have met in the Netherlands. Don't attack and put your values upon me but try to understand! The Netherlands is not on the top of the list of countries where its easy to integrate... Understanding and communicating is key to integration. I don't think I should have to lose my identity just to have to fit in. As an expat I have lived in many different countries and have learned the ins and outs of adapting and integrating. The first step is understanding the foreigners or 'TCK citizens' in your country. Unfortunately I don't feel like this is happening.